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Great swindle for connoisseurs

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Only Chess 26 May '10 18:10
  1. SubscriberParShooter
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    26 May '10 18:10
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1387579

    White batters black from pillar to post until...
  2. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    26 May '10 21:47
    OOPS! Good to Donner scoring one.
    I've often him on the end of some real nasty losses.

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  3. Standard memberDiet Coke
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    26 May '10 22:362 edits
    You call that a swindle?

    This, is a swindle.

    EDIT: No, this is a swindle.

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  4. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    27 May '10 06:30
    Yup. That too is swindle.

    The first was from a game between two GM's and such things very rarely happen
    which makes it, from our wood pushers point of view, very enjoyable.

    The second, though equally enjoyable, came from a net game which takes
    a bit of the fun out of it. The chances are he had 10 or more games on the go.

    Imagine it was from an OTB game (as is the first one) where the player
    actually leaves the board to go and get another Queen, places it on the board
    and then gets mated next move.

    Now that would have made it a 'real' swindle.
    Good game though, never seen it before. Thanks.

    Here is me getting swindled in Blitz from last year in a thread I posted
    called; You Have Just Got to Laugh.

    I'm White and pull off my Queen winning combo not even suspecting
    for one second there was a sting in the tail.
    ...Check all checks (sigh).

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  5. Standard memberDiet Coke
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    27 May '10 11:17
    Knowing me I probably had a tonne of games going as well. 🙂

    I didn't realise the first game was two grandmasters.

    As for the last game, if it weren't blitz I'm sure you'd have seen a better move than Nxf7.

    BTW, here's another "swindle", more recently played.

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    Worth viewing just for the amusing selfmate at the end.
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    Standard memberNAGYUR
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    28 May '10 02:10
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Yup. That too is swindle.

    The first was from a game between two GM's and such things very rarely happen
    which makes it, from our wood pushers point of view, very enjoyable.

    The second, though equally enjoyable, came from a net game which takes
    a bit of the fun out of it. The chances are he had 10 or more games on the go.

    Imagine it was from an ...[text shortened]... b7+ Kxb7 4. Nd6+ Kb8 5. Nxf7 Nf3+ 6. Kh1
    Re1+ 7. Rg1 Rxg1#
    {Black mates} 0-1

    [/pgn]
    why not QXR? wins?
  7. A
    Standard memberArtardo
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    28 May '10 02:34
    Originally posted by NAGYUR
    why not QXR? wins?
    I find it difficult to pull off a swindle without at least a little bit of help from my opponent 😉
  8. Standard memberDiet Coke
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    28 May '10 13:14
    Originally posted by NAGYUR
    why not QXR? wins?
    It was blitz, give the guy a break.
  9. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    I simply never smelt it coming and stopped dead after NxQ.

    He took on g2 with a Bishop, I took it with a Rook (from g7 if I recall).
    Perhaps in my mind's eye it was a pawn on g2.
    I simply had no danger bells ringing.

    Can't complain, I have swindled more games I should have lost than
    the reverse. I don't mind giving one back every now and then.

    It would get awfully boring if I won every game.
  10. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    29 May '10 12:27
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    I simply never smelt it coming and stopped dead after NxQ.

    He took on g2 with a Bishop, I took it with a Rook (from g7 if I recall).
    Perhaps in my mind's eye it was a pawn on g2.
    I simply had no danger bells ringing.

    Can't complain, I have swindled more games I should have lost than
    the reverse. I don't mind giving one back every now and then.

    It would get awfully boring if I won every game.
    I've been on both sides as well, also with a positive score in the swindle column- dubious because every swindle means I was worse up to that point!

    Partly tongue-in-cheek, I think I am usually better off if I drop a rook, as opposed to a minor piece. When I'm a rook down, I have minor pieces on the board that allow me to create mayhem and to threaten more valuable pieces with less nominally-valued ones. When I'm a minor piece down, the opposite is the case.

    Whacky pawn structures and unclear/unbalanced potential endings also help me swindle.

    Has anyone else noticed particular conditions that make swindling easier?
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    Standard memberSmittyTime
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    The concept of the swindle is the second thing I learned about chess today.
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