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has anyone tried 2.c4 against the French?

has anyone tried 2.c4 against the French?

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
For example,

Miezis,N (2552) - Shabalov,A (2585) [A13]
1st WMSG Rapid Team Beijing CHN (9), 16.10.2008
1.c4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.f4 g6 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.d3 Nge7 7.Be2 0–0 8.h4 h5 9.Be3 b6 10.d4 d5 11.e5 Nf5 12.Bf2 cxd4 13.Nxd4 Ncxd4 14.Bxd4 dxc4 15.Bf2 Bb7 16.0–0 Qe7 17.Qc2 Rfd8 18.Bxc4 Nxh4 19.Bxh4 Qxh4 20.Bd3 Bf8 21.Na4 Rac8 22.Qb3 Qg3 0–1

Miezis,N (2 ...[text shortened]... ppose this success is the sort of reply robbie carrobie was looking for in starting this thread.
Personally I would prefer this one (his opponent is GM, one of the strongest in Estonia): 😉

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Yep, nice game. He certainly made Black look like a patzer there.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
For example,

Miezis,N (2552) - Shabalov,A (2585) [A13]
1st WMSG Rapid Team Beijing CHN (9), 16.10.2008
1.c4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.f4 g6 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.d3 Nge7 7.Be2 0–0 8.h4 h5 9.Be3 b6 10.d4 d5 11.e5 Nf5 12.Bf2 cxd4 13.Nxd4 Ncxd4 14.Bxd4 dxc4 15.Bf2 Bb7 16.0–0 Qe7 17.Qc2 Rfd8 18.Bxc4 Nxh4 19.Bxh4 Qxh4 20.Bd3 Bf8 21.Na4 Rac8 22.Qb3 Qg3 0–1

Miezis,N (2 ...[text shortened]... ppose this success is the sort of reply robbie carrobie was looking for in starting this thread.
lol, ill consider anything, and i mean anything against the French, except the wing gambit and the advance variation, its just so annoying and unsportsmanlike like to block the f7 pawn, i mean, we didn't block the f2 pawn when we played 1.e4, did we? oh how i yearn for the days when men stood toe to toe, safe in valors glory, when anything other than 1...e5 was cowardice!

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, ill consider anything, and i mean anything against the French, except the wing gambit and the advance variation, its just so annoying and unsportsmanlike like to block the f7 pawn, i mean, we didn't block the f2 pawn when we played 1.e4, did we? oh how i yearn for the days when men stood toe to toe, safe in valors glory, when anything other than 1...e5 was cowardice!
These days, real men play 2.d4. 😉

Follow up on Korch's recommendation. No one else has success comparable to Miezis with your line. The move order does not matter, unless perhaps because players of the English are familiar with the strategic ideas in some of the resulting positions.

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Someone played 2.c4, and lived to write about it: http://chessskill.blogspot.com/

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I play the dark side of the French regularly. I don't think anyone here has played 2.c4. I used to see it now and then and would just respond with 2. ... c5 which usually ended up being a Sicilian Maroczy Bind kind of opening which I've been happy playing against as black.

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
I don't remember ever playing 2 c4 against the French Defense, but I have played 3 c4 against it: 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 c4!?? de 4 Nc3. A fun little gambit that ain't too bad in blitz.
3 0 Blitz



I missed a lot of faster wins !!!

14.Qd3+/14.Qc2+

15.Qd3+/15.Qc2+

20.Rf6

24.Rf6

Still a fun game ! 🙂

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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
3 0 Blitz



I missed a lot of faster wins !!!

14.Qd3+/14.Qc2+

15.Qd3+/15.Qc2+

20.Rf6

24.Rf6

Still a fun game ! 🙂
Black's play was stunning for its incompetence: a very instructive game. After eight moves, White had complete domination in the center and Black was strategically lost. Then tactical errors presented White with new opportunities.

Such is blitz.

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
I don't remember ever playing 2 c4 against the French Defense, but I have played 3 c4 against it: 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 c4!?? de 4 Nc3. A fun little gambit that ain't too bad in blitz.
http://www.nic.funet.fi/pub/doc/games/chess/ddg/

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Originally posted by Korch
http://www.nic.funet.fi/pub/doc/games/chess/ddg/
It's been years since I've been to this site. 🙂

I remember the article "In Diemer Zones and The Temple Of Duhm" from Blackmar Diemer World Magazine years ago.
Funny title. hehe