Originally posted by Ice Cold
Originally posted by omulcusobolani
[b]Nd3# is the defense.
I think the correct way for white to play is Be7+( blocking the e file and forcing a trade of queens) Qb8 Qxb8 Kxb8 Bd6+ Kc8 Nde3(white is up a huge amount of material and black has three pieces hanging with no more mate threats.[/b]
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenwell. 1.Bxc5+ is obvious then, as is 1.Bd6+, 1.Be7+ wins also, even 1.Bxg7+ wins. blocking the rooks Nde3 and Nfe3 both work too. that's six winning moves already.
i cant see how, black has the checkmate with the knight, that cant be avoided, if white moves the bishop and goes for check black has won
Originally posted by wormwood1. Bxc5+ Re8
well. 1.Bxc5+ is obvious then, as is 1.Bd6+, 1.Be7+ wins also, even 1.Bxg7+ wins. blocking the rooks Nde3 and Nfe3 both work too. that's six winning moves already.
2. Qxg7(example) Rxe2#
Yes the Knight moves are part of the point of winning.
1. Bxg7 Qb8
2. Qxb8 Kxb8
and they are faily even, and White's Bishop-Rook swop doesn't help him hugely in terms of 1-0s.
1 edit
Originally posted by Alethiayour first line doesn't work for black because 2.Qxe8+ Rxe8 3.Bxa7 is killing black (not to mention the huge pawn center white has in any scenario that ends without black mating him, and there is no mate for black.)
1. Bxc5+ Re8
2. Qxg7(example) Rxe2#
Yes the Knight moves are part of the point of winning.
1. Bxg7 Qb8
2. Qxb8 Kxb8
and they are faily even, and White's Bishop-Rook swop doesn't help him hugely in terms of 1-0s.
second is crushing for white, 3.Bxe5+ wins yet more material, and white is up 3 pawns, knight and a rook. futhermore black has to face the pawn fork d4.
there's just absolutely no hope for black.
There's a book that was written to help strengthen a person's chess visualization skills using positions taken from real games -- see www.chessvisualization.com. It has positions that increase in depth from 5 half-moves to 12, so the exercises go up through 6 moves deep. There's some sample exercises on the website that you can look at.
3 edits
Originally posted by rooktakesqueendon't get me wrong, but I think this puzzle is actually so bad that I don't believe it's a puzzle.
yes - its a very good puzzle, am i right in saying no one can say who the winner is because its too early in the game? surely whites next move has to be the knight to prevent the checkmate
to be precise, 8 of all legal 31 moves by white wins.
Originally posted by gohoos02stop bumping ancient threads.
There's a book that was written to help strengthen a person's chess visualization skills using positions taken from real games -- see www.chessvisualization.com. It has positions that increase in depth from 5 half-moves to 12, so the exercises go up through 6 moves deep. There's some sample exercises on the website that you can look at.