29 Oct 10
I just completed a blitz game (LOL) at FICS.
This position was reached:
It's white's move.
Before continuing down the page, form an idea of how this endgame should play out.
I was black.
White is currently rated 1822 but was rated a whopping 2268 last year!
That is a remarkably high rating for FICS.
Anyway, in this position, white resigned!
That absolutely stunned me.
Isn't this an obvious draw?
I was fairly certain that it was. In fact, I told him after the game that I thought it was and logged off to check with Shredder.
Shredder has black up over 3 points at first but eventually comes around to the draw.
No matter where white captures the c pawn, black doesn't have time to round up the h pawn before white gets to the corner.
It is amazing to me that someone rated so high couldn't know this or at least be willing to play it out.
For the record, it was a 3 minute game, and both sides had a whole minute left when it was over.
Am I missing something? Your thoughts?
29 Oct 10
Originally posted by Mephisto2Doing that also moves the Black king further away from the h-file, so it’s no surprise that it makes no difference. Of more relevance is how far advanced the blocked h-pawn is – that can make a difference.
Not even if we shift the queenside one or two files to the left .
29 Oct 10
Originally posted by VarenkaIn this case, moving the pawn and white king to the a-file and leaving the blackking on d5 wouldn't change the outcome.
Doing that also moves the Black king further away from the h-file, so it’s no surprise that it makes no difference. Of more relevance is how far advanced the blocked h-pawn is – that can make a difference.
29 Oct 10
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsmaybe he taught this might happen:
I just completed a blitz game (LOL) at FICS.
This position was reached:
[fen]8/8/8/3k3p/2p4P/2K5/8/8 w - - 2 43[/fen]
It's white's move.
Before continuing down the page, form an idea of how this endgame should play out.
I was black.
White is currently rated 1822 but was rated a whopping 2268 last year!
That is a remarkably hi ...[text shortened]... sides had a whole minute left when it was over.
Am I missing something? Your thoughts?
29 Oct 10
Originally posted by wormwoodyes, this I meant in my previous post also
maybe he taught this might happen:
[pgn]
[Event "Edited position"]
[Date "2010.10.29"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "8/8/8/3k3p/2p4P/2K5/8/8 w - - 2 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{--------------
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . k . . . p
. . p . . . . P
. . K . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
...[text shortened]... ----------}
1. Kd2 Ke4 2. Kc3 Kf4 3. Kxc4 Kg4 4. Kd4 Kxh4 5. Ke3 Kg3
*
[/pgn]
30 Oct 10
Originally posted by wormwoodtake it everyone realises 4 Kd4 loses in the above quote;
maybe he taught this might happen:
[pgn]
[Event "Edited position"]
[Date "2010.10.29"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "8/8/8/3k3p/2p4P/2K5/8/8 w - - 2 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{--------------
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . k . . . p
. . p . . . . P
. . K . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
...[text shortened]... ----------}
1. Kd2 Ke4 2. Kc3 Kf4 3. Kxc4 Kg4 4. Kd4 Kxh4 5. Ke3 Kg3
*
[/pgn]
to draw white needs to play, Kd3 and Ke2 so as to safely reach Kf1
30 Oct 10
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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficswhat was black's last move?
I just completed a blitz game (LOL) at FICS.
This position was reached:
[fen]8/8/8/3k3p/2p4P/2K5/8/8 w - - 2 43[/fen]
It's white's move.
Before continuing down the page, form an idea of how this endgame should play out.
I was black.
White is currently rated 1822 but was rated a whopping 2268 last year!
That is a remarkably hi sides had a whole minute left when it was over.
Am I missing something? Your thoughts?
because .....Ke4 instead ....c4 and black was winning.
maybe that was why he resigned: not realising things had changed!
30 Oct 10
Originally posted by enrico20LOL at arrogant
Its arrogant to claim "its an obvious draw", when its an online blitz game. Anything can happen e.g.
- black may not know what to do in the position.
- white may not know what to do in the position.
This is why you see G.M's & stronger players playing on at blitz when down materially.
You really like to make friends online don't you?
The fact that the possibility of a draw could not even cross one of the supposedly top player's minds still stuns me.
Even if he thought it were really bad or lost, why not play it out and see?
30 Oct 10
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsYou yourself have told us he was ranked almost 2300 and is now ranked 1800 or so. You then proceeded to load this "obviously drawn position" onto Shredder instead of demonstrating to him there and then how "obviously drawn" it was. Seems to me the only obvious thing in this situation is that you are arrogant and gloating. 😵
LOL at arrogant
You really like to make friends online don't you?
The fact that the possibility of a draw could not even cross one of the supposedly top player's minds still stuns me.
Even if he thought it were really bad or lost, why not play it out and see?
30 Oct 10
Originally posted by enrico20If I was truly arrogant, would I second guess myself and check?
You yourself have told us he was ranked almost 2300 and is now ranked 1800 or so. You then proceeded to load this "obviously drawn position" onto Shredder instead of demonstrating to him there and then how "obviously drawn" it was. Seems to me the only obvious thing in this situation is that you are arrogant and gloating. 😵