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Is there more than a draw here?

Is there more than a draw here?

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c

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I just now siezed upon the threefold repitition in a tournament game on another site. (no pgn, just fen, and belive me you dont miss anything in not getting the moves that led here. I set up a queen trade in like move 6, just to discover to my horror, that i'd failed to see the bishop who also could capture....)
I played black.
Fen:
2k1r2r/ppp2p1p/2P3p1/3p2Q1/2P1b2P/4K1b1/P1nN2p1/R1B3R1 w - - 0 1

Is there more than a draw here?

f
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For those wondering, I believe that the repetition is...

1.Ke2 Nd4+ 2.Ke3 Nc2+ .......

If 2.Kd1 then 2...Bc2 0-1

Personally, I'd have gone for the draw as well, can't see anything better.

y

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I'm seeing that Black is winning:

1. Ke2 Nd4+ 2. Ke3 Nf5+ 3. Ke2...

Yes, you're repeating a little, but you can breakaway now a do this:

3...Bxh4 4. Qg4 Bc2+ 5. Kf3 h5 6. cxb7+ Kxb7 7. Qh3 Re3+...

So as you can see...with a little positional play...Black can begin to drive back White's pieces and win the game.

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Originally posted by yamiyokaze
I'm seeing that Black is winning:

1. Ke2 Nd4+ 2. Ke3 Nf5+ 3. Ke2...

Yes, you're repeating a little, but you can breakaway now a do this:

3...Bxh4 4. Qg4 Bc2+ 5. Kf3 h5 6. cxb7+ Kxb7 7. Qh3 Re3+...

So as you can see...with a little positional play...Black can begin to drive back White's pieces and win the game.
Yes I started looking at that but got hung up on
3...Bxh4 4. Qg4 Bc2+ 5. Kf3 h5 6. Qxg2

What should I have responded from there?

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Originally posted by chasparos
Yes I started looking at that but got hung up on
3...Bxh4 4. Qg4 Bc2+ 5. Kf3 h5 6. Qxg2

What should I have responded from there?
Simple: 6. ... Nd4+ 7.Kf4 g5+ and white has to give up his queen.

Note also that if white plays 6.Qh3 (instead of Qxg2) then Re3+ wins the queen, be it at the cost of a rook (but in the above sequence, it is at the cost of a pawn!).

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
Simple: 6. ... Nd4+ 7.Kf4 g5+ and white has to give up his queen.

Note also that if white plays 6.Qh3 (instead of Qxg2) then Re3+ wins the queen, be it at the cost of a rook (but in the above sequence, it is at the cost of a pawn!).
Silly me missed the knight fork.. tried to take queen
with bishop, and lost all presure..

Now even i can find a win from that line :-)
Thank you.

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