Is this "Fried Liver"?

[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2010.6.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "USArmyParatrooper"]
[Black "LetMeWinplz"]
[Result "1-0"]

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2010.6.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "USArmyParatrooper"]
[Black "LetMeWinplz"]
[Result "1-0"]

[pgn]1. e2-e4 c7-c5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Nb1-c3 e7-e5 4. Bf1-c4 Ng8-f6 5. d2-d3 d7-d6 6. Nf3-g5 d6-d5 7. e4xd5 Nf6xd5 8. Ng5xf7 Ke8xf7 9. Qd1-f3 Kf7-e8 10. Bc4xd5 Nc6-d4 11. Qf3-f7 1-0[/pgn]

No the FLA is a variation off The Two Knight's defense. The trap is similar though.

This is kinda an interesting question for a whole collection of fried liver kind of positions.

Officially the Fried Liver attack is very specific but way more than half of chess players are not literal in their mindset so the majority consider fried liverish as fried liver.

I searched the openings library for "fried liver". Does it have another name?
-Eric

- never mind. 2 knights defense, I see it. 🙂
-Eric

Ah, so THIS is fried liver! 🙂 I'm actually amazed how easily players fall into it. It's a really fun attack. I probably make mistakes in the follow up, but so did my opponent.

[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2010.6.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "USArmyParatrooper"]
[Black "nijin"]
[Result "1-0"]

C'mon Paraguy.

You do not go chasing after QNP's when the King is at your mercy.



You to play. You played 11.Qe4+? Finish him off.

Edit 1:

The Fried Liver was first played by Greco as well in the 1600's.
(see your thread Levitsky-Marshall,1912 ).

Looks like everthing goes back to Greco.

Except pawn promotion tricks, then there were some side lines
and it all depended where you were from.
The rules were not universal then.

You could only a take a peice that had been captured, you could
if you wanted to you could make it an opponents piece (to avoid stalemates).

I came across this a while ago.

http://www.rockfordchess.org/instruction/minilessons/FriedLiver.pdf

Originally posted by greenpawn34
C'mon Paraguy.

You do not go chasing after QNP's when the King is at your mercy.

[fen]r1b2b1r/ppp3pp/8/3Qpk2/3n4/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1B1K2R w KQ - 0 11[/fen]

You to play. You played 11.Qe4+? Finish him off.

Edit 1:

The Fried Liver was first played by Greco as well in the 1600's.
(see your thread Levitsky-Marshall,1912 ).

Looks like everthin ...[text shortened]... ured, you could
if you wanted to you could make it an opponents piece (to avoid stalemates).

My first instinct looking at the position is Qf7+ - it pushes the king into a mating net on the white kingside, and if he goes sideways, then d4 with discovered check is a serious slap.

Edit: Whoops, I meant d3 after Kf5. I haven't crunched the whole thing, but it looks like it's gotta be a mate after 11. Qf7+

Originally posted by greenpawn34
C'mon Paraguy.

You do not go chasing after QNP's when the King is at your mercy.

[fen]r1b2b1r/ppp3pp/8/3Qpk2/3n4/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1B1K2R w KQ - 0 11[/fen]

You to play. You played 11.Qe4+? Finish him off.

Edit 1:

The Fried Liver was first played by Greco as well in the 1600's.
(see your thread Levitsky-Marshall,1912 ).

Looks like everthin ...[text shortened]... ured, you could
if you wanted to you could make it an opponents piece (to avoid stalemates).

Qf7 better?

Yes, now you have it.

You will mate him with the pawns or the Bishop and Queen battery.

You should have heard me holler when you took that QNP.

I woke up my cats.

Best to get into the habit of knocking off the mates whe they are infront of you.
It is the idea behind the game after all...checkmate.

And the longer the game goes on the more chance you have of
making a blunder.

Hi Paul:

Yes the King is a mating net after Qf7+

But what is this new chess notation I am seeing?

"....and if he goes sideways..."

Sideways...Sideways...What is this Sideways?

So now the first few moves of the Lopez is suddenly.

1. pawn goes forward a bit.
2. Knight jumps out like an 'L'
3. Bishop goes sideways for a while.

What is the point of me trying to turn you all into chess players
if you start telling me the King is going sideways.

Greco. Yes Greco again. wrote the numbers and letters around the board
in the 1600's so each square was named.

If the King goes to g5 then d3 discovered check mates him.

If the King goes to g4 then the Kingside pawns will mate him.

I bet you are one of these people who call a Rook a Castle
and a Knight a horse.....

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Ah, so THIS is fried liver! 🙂 I'm actually amazed how easily players fall into it. It's a really fun attack. I probably make mistakes in the follow up, but so did my opponent.

Just a warning to White.

The "Fried Liver" is playable as Black. Sure it is uncomfortable having your king sitting in the middle of the board like a lame duck.


But it is playable, so be careful.

Yes I have seen quite a few Black wins.

You have to remember Black is a piece up.

It has been played 864 times on the RHP database
and White has won 61% of them so it's not a forgone conclusion
in the 1400 section.

Perhaps best to play d4 instead of Nxf7.

Originally posted by Tiwaking
Just a warning to White.

The "Fried Liver" is playable as Black. Sure it is uncomfortable having your king sitting in the middle of the board like a lame duck.


But it is playable, so be careful.

I watched a video that says the fried liver has an 83% win percentage as white. But no doubt a stronger player can beat me as black.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Yes, now you have it.

You will mate him with the pawns or the Bishop and Queen battery.

You should have heard me holler when you took that QNP.

I woke up my cats.

Best to get into the habit of knocking off the mates whe they are infront of you.
It is the idea behind the game after all...checkmate.

And the longer the game goes on the more ...[text shortened]... m.

I bet you are one of these people who call a Rook a Castle
and a Knight a horse.....

I just replayed it and figured out why I went where I did. I was thinking about protecting against the king-rook fork, when instead I should have been looking for a mates.

Speaking of mates, my wife is in bed sleeping because she has to get up early. Me, I'm on leave! California here I come!

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Yes, now you have it.

You will mate him with the pawns or the Bishop and Queen battery.

You should have heard me holler when you took that QNP.

I woke up my cats.

Best to get into the habit of knocking off the mates whe they are infront of you.
It is the idea behind the game after all...checkmate.

And the longer the game goes on the more m.

I bet you are one of these people who call a Rook a Castle
and a Knight a horse.....

Dude we know you dream in descriptive notation (where the name of the square depends on which side you sit), so don't even go there!

I think it was one of those good positions where "looking at the lay of the land" first is more valuable than calculating moves immediately. Any time there is an exposed king facing a wall of hostile pawns and is also subject to multiple checks from different directions, the *MATING ATTACK* alarms should go off. Without looking back at the diagram, I can't even remember who had what material- once you lock in on the king and start working on a firing solution, the rest doesn't matter.

And I'm partly talking to myself- sometimes it's easy to get caught up in esoteric strategic ideas or phantom tactical threats and forget that the game is about mate.

EDIT: And after "sideways", I was sure someone was going to slide a "No, I don't want another $%^&* merlot!" comment in here somewhere...