Is this position a French or Alekhine with white to play

I wonder what folks might think without knowing the move order that reached this position.

Probably a bad French. 1. e4 e6 2. d4 Nf6!? seems more likely than 1. e4 Nf6 2. d4 e6, because I'd expect black to take the pawn 2. ... Nxe4.

OH yeah thats true that move order would be a weird gambit.🙂

I`ve played this for a couple days now since that thread with 1.e3 e5 2.Qh5 inspired me to try 1.e3 e5 2.Nf3 since I tried 2.Qh5 a bit I wondered about what other 1.e3 stuff one could unleash and I ended up playing with black that diagram position too.

Ooh I just thought of a gambit about 1 minute ago I might try but haven`t yet.
1.e4 e6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bd3 b5😕 4.e5 Nd5 5.Bxb5 Bb7 and maybe that is similar to some sokolsky type of gambit.🙂

I think I should try that out b4 i forget.

1.d4 e6 2.e4 Nf6 could also be transposition from a black attempt to leave the options open between a French and a Nimzo or Queens Indian (if white had played 2.c4)

Oh yes so many interesting possibilities.

I sometimes get Sicilian structures too.

Originally posted by Mephisto2
1.d4 e6 2.e4 Nf6 could also be transposition from a black attempt to leave the options open between a French and a Nimzo or Queens Indian (if white had played 2.c4)

This was my first guess as to move order as well, and I consider it the most likely order.

Paul

Originally posted by National Master Dale
I wonder what folks might think without knowing the move order that reached this position.[fen]rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR[/fen]

😕

Originally posted by National Master Dale
I wonder what folks might think without knowing the move order that reached this position.[fen]rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR[/fen]

When White plays 3. Bg5 it becomes the Trompowsky Attack otherwise it is not a booked opening.

Caro-Kann, definitely

This Bd3 move isnt common so it took a while for me to unleash that b pawn sac .
This isnt the complete game it kept going.

Yesterday I was playing coffee shop chess against tough opposition and today I have developed an improvement for my 1.e3 opening.....

That improvement is...the envelope please


Here is your envelope with the improvement the move is 1.Nf3

🙂
That`s the 1.e3 improvement I`ve dreamt up today.

Originally posted by National Master Dale
Yesterday I was playing coffee shop chess against tough opposition and today I have developed an improvement for my 1.e3 opening.....

That improvement is...the envelope please


Here is your envelope with the improvement the move is 1.Nf3

🙂
That`s the 1.e3 improvement I`ve dreamt up today.

ummm did not master Reti also have that very same dream? Perhaps it was he who appeared to you in the dream? i hate it when my opponents play 1.Nf3, how are you supposed to employ a gambit with that? if anyone knows a National Master Dale anti 1.Nf3 gambit can they let me know!

Hi Robbie um how about

Originally posted by National Master Dale
Hi Robbie um how about
[pgn]1.Nf3 h6 2 .d4 g5 3.c4 a6 4.Nc3 b5 5.cxb5 axb5
6.Nxb5 c5 7.e4 Ba6 8.Nc3 Bxf1 9.Kxf1 Bg7[/pgn]

mmm, Not bad NMD, not bad at all, soon as i see two pawns on d4 and c4 it cries out to me Albin counter gambit man!