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Is this position a French or Alekhine with white to play

Is this position a French or Alekhine with white to play

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I wonder what folks might think without knowing the move order that reached this position.

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Probably a bad French. 1. e4 e6 2. d4 Nf6!? seems more likely than 1. e4 Nf6 2. d4 e6, because I'd expect black to take the pawn 2. ... Nxe4.

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OH yeah thats true that move order would be a weird gambit.🙂

I`ve played this for a couple days now since that thread with 1.e3 e5 2.Qh5 inspired me to try 1.e3 e5 2.Nf3 since I tried 2.Qh5 a bit I wondered about what other 1.e3 stuff one could unleash and I ended up playing with black that diagram position too.

Ooh I just thought of a gambit about 1 minute ago I might try but haven`t yet.
1.e4 e6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bd3 b5😕 4.e5 Nd5 5.Bxb5 Bb7 and maybe that is similar to some sokolsky type of gambit.🙂

I think I should try that out b4 i forget.

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1.d4 e6 2.e4 Nf6 could also be transposition from a black attempt to leave the options open between a French and a Nimzo or Queens Indian (if white had played 2.c4)

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Oh yes so many interesting possibilities.

I sometimes get Sicilian structures too.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
1.d4 e6 2.e4 Nf6 could also be transposition from a black attempt to leave the options open between a French and a Nimzo or Queens Indian (if white had played 2.c4)
This was my first guess as to move order as well, and I consider it the most likely order.

Paul

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Originally posted by National Master Dale
I wonder what folks might think without knowing the move order that reached this position.[fen]rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR[/fen]
😕

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Originally posted by National Master Dale
I wonder what folks might think without knowing the move order that reached this position.[fen]rnbqkb1r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR[/fen]
When White plays 3. Bg5 it becomes the Trompowsky Attack otherwise it is not a booked opening.

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Caro-Kann, definitely

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This Bd3 move isnt common so it took a while for me to unleash that b pawn sac .
This isnt the complete game it kept going.

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Yesterday I was playing coffee shop chess against tough opposition and today I have developed an improvement for my 1.e3 opening.....

That improvement is...the envelope please


Here is your envelope with the improvement the move is 1.Nf3

🙂
That`s the 1.e3 improvement I`ve dreamt up today.

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Originally posted by National Master Dale
Yesterday I was playing coffee shop chess against tough opposition and today I have developed an improvement for my 1.e3 opening.....

That improvement is...the envelope please


Here is your envelope with the improvement the move is 1.Nf3

🙂
That`s the 1.e3 improvement I`ve dreamt up today.
ummm did not master Reti also have that very same dream? Perhaps it was he who appeared to you in the dream? i hate it when my opponents play 1.Nf3, how are you supposed to employ a gambit with that? if anyone knows a National Master Dale anti 1.Nf3 gambit can they let me know!

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Hi Robbie um how about

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Originally posted by National Master Dale
Hi Robbie um how about
[pgn]1.Nf3 h6 2 .d4 g5 3.c4 a6 4.Nc3 b5 5.cxb5 axb5
6.Nxb5 c5 7.e4 Ba6 8.Nc3 Bxf1 9.Kxf1 Bg7[/pgn]
mmm, Not bad NMD, not bad at all, soon as i see two pawns on d4 and c4 it cries out to me Albin counter gambit man!