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  1. 09 Jul '12 15:03 / 1 edit
    Hello Everyone, Is Win Possible for White?

    [Event "Challenge"] [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"] [Date "2012.04.27"]
    [White "Sir Everett"] [Black "jcmessy"]
    WhiteRating "1962" BlackRating "1965"
    [Result "1/2-1/2"]
    Game 9244862

    It's "black to move" after 64. Be2, "g6-pawn" is Queening.

    Question: Is a Win Possible for White? .


    Posted by: Jcmessy User 658847
  2. 09 Jul '12 15:42 / 1 edit
    It seems that white wins a knight by force: after the d6 knight moves, 65. Bxc4 picks up the pawn and pins the d5 knight. The e5 bishop ensures that the other knight can't defend it without being taken.

    Black's best option seems to be 64 ... Ne7 65. Bxd6 Nxg6, reaching a BB vs. N endgame. With the best play, white usually wins these. But sometimes it takes more than 50 moves, which is a draw.
  3. 09 Jul '12 15:49 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by danilop
    It seems that white wins a knight by force: after the d6 knight moves, 65. Bxc4 picks up the pawn and pins the d5 knight. The e5 bishop ensures that the other knight can't defend it without being taken.

    Black's best option seems to be 64 ... Ne7 65. Bxd6 Nxg6, reaching a BB vs. N endgame. With the best play, white usually wins these. But sometimes it takes more than 50 moves, which is a draw.
    whoops nvm
  4. 09 Jul '12 15:53 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    uhh 64...Nf5 65.Bxc4 Ne3 and not too much worried about trading a knight for the light squared bishop since thats the color of the queening square.
    Hm, I overlooked that. Looks like a draw, then.

    Edit: or maybe no.

    64... Nf5
    65. Bxc4 Nf5
    66. Bb3 and black doesn't seem to have many options. If the king goes to f8, 67. g7+ forces it to go to g8 or f7 and keeps the knight pinned.
  5. 09 Jul '12 15:58 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by danilop
    Hm, I overlooked that. Looks like a draw, then.
    I don't know. After Bb3 black still has problems. I was looking at it in my head so I thought that if black tries to win the knight on e3 black can get the pawn on g6 leaving just B+K v k but black doesn't have enought time to win the pawn thanks to the fact that he can't step onto g7 until after whites dark bishop leaves the long diagonal.

    64...Nf5 65.Bxc4 Ne7 66.Ke4 looks like a win for white too.
  6. 09 Jul '12 16:02
    Yeah, I just noticed that too. 🙂
  7. 09 Jul '12 16:04 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by danilop
    Yeah, I just noticed that too. 🙂
    phooey... doesn't work either.
  8. 09 Jul '12 16:05 / 1 edit
    Is Win Possible for White?

    Event "Challenge"] [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"] [Date "2012.04.27"]
    [White "Sir Everett"] [Black "jcmessy"]
    [WhiteRating "1962"] [BlackRating "1965"]

    [Result "1/2-1/2"]
    Game 9244862

    So, You're Saying: with the forced line 64. Be7 Ne7; 65.Be5 Ne7; 66. Bxc4 Kg7;
    and finally with this position after 66..Kg7; it's possible for White to
    find a path Win for This Position?? 🙄


    Posted by: Jcmessy (User 658847)
  9. 09 Jul '12 16:07
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    BUT I just noticed... 64...c3!! and white can't take the knight or else the c pawn will queen.
    The bishop can take the knight and then go to a3.
  10. 09 Jul '12 16:11
    Originally posted by danilop
    The bishop can take the knight and then go to a3.
    Ok, I think I have it now.

    64... Nb6 65. Bxc6 Kg7-xg6
  11. 09 Jul '12 16:12
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Is Win Possible for White?

    Event "Challenge"] [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"] [Date "2012.04.27"]
    [White "Sir Everett"] [Black "jcmessy"]
    [WhiteRating "1962"] [BlackRating "1965"]

    [Result "1/2-1/2"]
    Game 9244862

    So, You're Saying: with the forced line 64. Be7 Ne7; 65.Be5 Ne7; 66. Bxc4 Kg7;
    and finally with this position after 66.. ...[text shortened]...
    [fen]8/6k1/3B2n1/8/2B5/5K2/8/8[/fen]
    Posted by: Jcmessy (User 658847)
    Yes. White's plan is to use the bishops and king to restrain the knight and force the king to a corner until one of these three situations arises:

    1- the knight is forced away from the king (and then lost)
    2- the knight is pinned and won by the king and bishop
    3- checkmate

    If the black king was in the center, that could take more than 50 moves, which is a draw. But in the diagram position, with the black jpking near the corner and the white king in such an active position, I think white can settle the deal in 20 moves or less. I'd show some variations, but I don't know how to set up a PGN from a FEN.
  12. 09 Jul '12 16:15
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    Ok, I think I have it now.

    64... Nb6 65. Bxc6 Kg7-xg6
    White then wins the c4 pawn by threatening the knight and we're back to BB vs. N, which is winning.
  13. 09 Jul '12 16:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by danilop
    White then wins the c4 pawn by threatening the knight and we're back to BB vs. N, which is winning.
    Simple enough throw in ...c3 before ...Kg7 then.

    ...Nb6 65.Bxd6 c3 now if 66. Bc5 c2 and if 66.Bd3 Kg7 and if 66. Be5 c2 67.Ba2 Na4
  14. 09 Jul '12 16:27
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    Simple enough throw in ...c3 before ...Kg7 then.

    ...Nb6 65.Bxd6 c3 now if 66. Bc5 c2 and if 66.Bd3 Kg7 and if 66. Be5 c2 67.Ba2 Na4
    66 Bd3 Kg7
    67 Be5+ K moves
    68 Bxc3

    The pawn is lost no matter how black plays. White can attack it with one bishop and remove the defender with the other.
  15. 11 Jul '12 00:46
    Event: "Challenge" Site: "http://www.redhotpawn.com"
    [Date "2012.04.27" End Date "2012.06.28"
    White: "Sir Everett" Black: "jcmessy"
    White Rating: "1962" Black Rating: "1965"
    Result "1/2-1/2"

    Position after 65..Ne7..
    Game 9244862
    Posted by: Jcmessy: (User 658847)

    Below is the completed game of it...

    Event: "Challenge" [/b]Site: "http://www.redhotpawn.com"[/b]
    Date: "2012.04.27" [b]Date Ended: "2012.06.28"
    White "Sir Everett" Black "jcmessy"
    White Rating: "1962" Black Rating: "1965"
    [Result "1/2-1/2"]

    Game 9244862
    Posted by: Jcmessy (User 658847)
    Rookies Chess Club (Club 317)