King's Indian

Please, can you help me with this system, usual lines, ideas. I know it is less tactical and semi-closed. Do you have some nice game with that. I heard that is more a system than regular opening...?

Kings indian attack with white is a system opening...

But if you want information on the Kings Indian defence...well...

*runs away screaming in fear due to the amount of theory in the Kings Indian*

Attack, of course !

Originally posted by ivan2908
Please, can you help me with this system, usual lines, ideas. I know it is less tactical and semi-closed. Do you have some nice game with that. I heard that is more a system than regular opening...?

...e5, ...d6, ...b6, ...Bb7, ...Nc6, ...Nf6, ...Be7, ...0-0 in whichever order is safest. Then you can move from there.

Oops, my mistake. Post changed for correctness.

Wait, are we discussing KIA, KID, or both?

Thanks, what confuses me that when you try to play Wikipedia moves or 1. Nf3 in Fritz, it says it is unusual French or Reti? And in Fischer games first moves are e4, d3, Nd2 😕

yer not even close....e4 d3 g3 Bg2 Nf3 0-0 Nd2

Originally posted by chessisvanity
yer not even close....e4 d3 g3 Bg2 Nf3 0-0 Nd2

Fritz give poor move mark to 1. e4 e5 2. d3 ? Ehh... I will say it again 😕

And one question? Is it sound?

it is sound....remember you are playing a "system" opening...

so some lines are going to be equal for black right away.

you're not trying for an opening advantage...you're trying to take the game down paths that you already know....thats the beauty of "system" openings...you know the lines better than your opponent.

and the KIA is very sound and can lead to a very aggressive kingside attack....and it can also lead to boring positions if black exchanges pieces early.

I think I remember Yasser Seirawan saying he primarily uses the KI in his book winning chess strategys

i think it was "winning chess openings"

where he says play KIA with white and play KID and Pirc with black...

so you learn formation type chess...."system" chess

Originally posted by ivan2908
Thanks, what confuses me that when you try to play Wikipedia moves or 1. Nf3 in Fritz, it says it is unusual French or Reti? And in Fischer games first moves are e4, d3, Nd2 😕

1. Nf3 is being played by White. For White to play the KID he needs to play 1. d4. However the KID is easily transposed into from any number of starts.

Did you mean 1...Nf6?

Originally posted by ivan2908
Fritz give poor move mark to 1. e4 e5 2. d3 ? Ehh... I will say it again 😕

And one question? Is it sound?

If you play 1. e4 intending to play the open games after e5 you can use the KIA against most first moves other than e5 for black but you have to be careful of move order according to what black does. KIA is good against the French and e6 varieties of Sicilian, less good against other stuff.

If you want to play the KIA without needing to worry about what black is going to do start with 1. Nf3. Then you can generally play d3, g3, Bg2, Nbd2, e4 and so on in any sensible order. If you don't feel like playing a KIA on some occasion you can always play a Reti or transpose to something else.

The main idea behind the KIA is a kingside attack which often works if black cooperates. You have to be alert though, if black does not castle or castles long and white continues mindlessly with the KIA position he can end up looking particularly stupid.

Thank you very much, I found your information really helpfull.

Originally posted by Kepler
If you play 1. e4 intending to play the open games after e5 you can use the KIA against most first moves other than e5 for black but you have to be careful of move order according to what black does. KIA is good against the French and e6 varieties of Sicilian, less good against other stuff.

If you want to play the KIA without needing to worry about what bl and white continues mindlessly with the KIA position he can end up looking particularly stupid.

Someone else in this thread mentioned this in connection with an opening system suggested by Yasser Seirawan in his book Winning Chess Openings. One aspect that put me off of playing this as White was the possibility that after 1.Nf3 (and with the additional move order he gave) Black could end up occupying the center and playing a reversed...something...opening, at which point White is basically playing like Black and vice-versa in terms of space and initiative.

Can you supply the missing name of this opening reply, and also whether it can be avoided gracefully?

Edit: reversed London?

Originally posted by Mark Adkins
Someone else in this thread mentioned this in connection with an opening system suggested by Yasser Seirawan in his book Winning Chess Openings. One aspect that put me off of playing this as White was the possibility that after 1.Nf3 (and with the additional move order he gave) Black could end up occupying the center and playing a reversed...something.. ...[text shortened]... of this opening reply, and also whether it can be avoided gracefully?

Edit: reversed London?

I'm not sure which opening Seirawan is worried about, I've never read his book. The 1. Nf2 move order can lead to a reversed King's indian, hence the Kingis Indian Attack rather than Defence, but that is not something that white needs to be really scared about. Black generally finds it easier to equalise against the KIA, especially the 1. Nf3 version, but that doesn't seem to give white too many problems. The KIA won't suit the sort of player who likes to sacrifice everything for a flashy mate but if you like lasting pressure and grinding your opponents to dust it is a good tool. I guess you just have to avoid Seirawan's nasty line for black!