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Knight or Bishop?

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Originally posted by The King of Queens
I know that sometimes knights are stronger and sometimes bishops but if you had to choose either a knight or a bishop and you wouldnt know what kind of game it would be which one would you pick?
A closed or open game is decided by the pawns in the center.
If the pawns are interlocked, we have a closed game. No center pawns, open center files or openable files can qualify as open game.
So by knowing your plan for the middle game and understanding the position based on your and opponent's pawns and pieces you can detremine the nature of the game (i.e cosed or open)
Then you can make up your mind whether to exchange bishops for knights or vice versa.

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I will always nab a knight if the opportunity arrises to swap for a bishop I think knights are better and probably worth half a point a pair in any game.

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Originally posted by Nias
I will always nab a knight if the opportunity arrises to swap for a bishop I think knights are better and probably worth half a point a pair in any game.
Interesting.
Can you share what was your success ratio when you played with your knights against 2 bishops.
Cheers.

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Personally, I can recall beating two bishops with two knights exactly once. If I can find the game I'll post it. But there were very specific circumstances that allowed my knights to win. Both of his bishops were tortured souls. But I definitely hope I never have to win such a game again.

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It depends upon where they're located. For example, your bishop or knight sitting anywhere outside the 64 squares, usually on the table next to your opponent, are worth zero points to you πŸ™‚

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Bill Hartston addresses this point in his book 'Play Better Chess.' It goes roughly that a bishop is better than a knight in an open position when it can influence play on both sides of the board at the same time.

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Knights seem to be handier for blockading

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Well a lot of people here are saying it's the position that determines which is better, and I agree. So I'll give another specific example where a bishop absolutely crushes a knight - The endgame with pawns on both sides of the board. Especially passed pawns and the a and h files. The bishop can attack and defend both sides from the center. The knight cannot. The knight has to pick a side. The fewer pieces that are on the board the better for the bishop in that situation. The knight is simply too slow to cover everything.

But again... it's the position. I've seen cases where knights outplay bishops with no problem.

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well I like to trade Bishop for night sometimes like I love to do the Roy Lopez or how ever you say it and trade the Bishop for the night all the time! It seems to work for me😏

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Originally posted by metal man
well I like to trade Bishop for night sometimes like I love to do the Roy Lopez or how ever you say it and trade the Bishop for the night all the time! It seems to work for me😏
Yeah, that's called the Roy Lopez Exchange Variation. When you make that trade, what you're actually playing for is an advantage in the endgame. You have a healthy 4 vs. 3 pawn majority on the kingside, and Black has a 4-pawn clump on the queenside. So you want to exchange pieces where possible, and especially try to nullify Black's two-bishop advantage.

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To all those players who say they like to give up their bishops for knights without a second thought, this one's for you.

Game 487157

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Originally posted by stoffer
Bill Hartston addresses this point in his book 'Play Better Chess.' It goes roughly that a bishop is better than a knight in an open position when it can influence play on both sides of the board at the same time.
Actually Leonard Barden wrote 'play better chess' which is foreworded by Korchnoi (ISBN 0 7064 0967 1)

skeeter

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Originally posted by Natural Science
To all those players who say they like to give up their bishops for knights without a second thought, this one's for you.

Game 487157
Lol, that game's more a case of giving up their rooks, bishops, knights, and pawns without a second thought. πŸ˜‰

Dave

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Originally posted by David Tebb
Lol, that game's more a case of giving up their rooks, bishops, knights, and pawns without a second thought. πŸ˜‰

Dave
Well, true, but you understand my point. He gave up both of his bishops completely voluntarily, presumably to mess up my pawn structure. Even if he'd played well from that point on, I don't think the end result would have been very much in doubt.

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Originally posted by The King of Queens
Hi.
I know people always say that Knights and Bishops have the same value but I would like to know which one you like more and why.
Why's everyone responding to this one, when my one was earlier? But it doesn't matter. THis has always been the cause of prlonged debates.
I always used to favour the bishop, but know i sacrafice/exchange either.
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