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  1. 22 Aug '11 04:26
    A thread for a few quick games, ending in "Legal's Mate" I have a few in some of my books, I think they are so hilariously cute I've decided to share my love for them here.

    -Jenn

    This is a seven move cutie that a book attributes to Kermur De Legal himself, and claims he was playing his pupil A.D. Philidor.

  2. 22 Aug '11 05:18
    Here's a game from a simul in Paris, played by Jean Taubenhaus 1887.

  3. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    22 Aug '11 05:24
    Originally posted by Jenn1482
    Here's a game from a simul in Paris, played by Jean Taubenhaus 1887.

    [pgn][Event ""] [Site ""] [Date "1887.2.5"] [Round ""] [White "Jean Taubenhaus"] [Black "unknown"] [Result "1-0"] 1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. f2-f4 d7-d6 3. Ng1-f3 Bc8-g4 4. Bf1-c4 Ng8-f6 5. f4xe5 Nf6xe4 6. Nb1-c3 Ne4xc3 7. d2xc3 Nb8-c6 8. O-O Nc6xe5 9. Nf3xe5 Bg4xd1 10. Bc4xf7 Ke8-e7 11. Bc1-g5 1-0[/pgn]
    Nice game, but it's not a Legal's mate.
    Maybe it's an Illegal's mate.
  4. 22 Aug '11 05:35
    This one is pretty too! played by a Scotsman, G.H. Mackenzie. A lot of these moves are questionable to me today. However, I still find myself dreaming of an opponent that wastes moves like F. Perrin (black here) did! ... this is their game.

  5. 22 Aug '11 05:36 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Nice game, but it's not a Legal's mate.
    Maybe it's an Illegal's mate.





    Ah- I mentioned the name 'legal's mate' in the start of the posts as I was thinking of this, but I named the thread 'legal's sac', which it was
  6. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    22 Aug '11 06:29 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Jenn1482
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    [b]Nice game, but it's not a Legal's mate.
    Maybe it's an Illegal's mate.





    Ah- I mentioned the name 'legal's mate' in the start of the posts as I was thinking of this, but I named the thread 'legal's sac', which it was [/b]
    The first game e.g. is not a true sac according to Rudolf Spielmann. It is more of a sham sac to mate.
    Besides, you said:
    A thread for a few quick games, ending in "Legal's Mate"
    And the example #2 if I remember mates with a bishop, not the Queen's Knight.

    I'm just being argumentative today, sorry.
  7. 22 Aug '11 07:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    The first game e.g. is not a true sac according to Rudolf Spielmann. It is more of a sham sac to mate.
    Besides, you said:
    A thread for a few quick games, ending in "Legal's Mate"
    And the example #2 if I remember mates with a bishop, not the Queen's Knight.

    I'm just being argumentative today, sorry.
    argumentative is okay, and fun sometimes. So, point taken. I was, however trying to correct the error I had made (and you pointed out) in the first post, it should have read, 'games involving legal's sac' ... or 'pseudo sac' as its called...
    whatever

    more about the chess games...->aren't they cute tho? Also, I'm sure there are a ton of these on RHP... how could we find them?

    -Jenn
  8. 22 Aug '11 12:13 / 1 edit
    Thread 139556 has some facts, figures and examples.

    The thread kicks off with a player graded 2385 falling for it.
    (this game was removed by admin in error and it started a furore.)

    Further down you will the examples including a lad who has fallen for it twice.

    To save a trip there I found 33 examples of the Legal's One Step.
    (mate with Bishop & Knight using the Queen as bait).


    Black played 4.... BxQ 5.Bxf7 mate.

    and over 130 with the Legal's Two Step.
    (mate with Bishop and two Knights using the Queen as bait)


    6...BxQ 7.Bxf7+ Ke7 8.Nd5 mate.
  9. Standard member TimmyBx
    TacticsTime.com
    22 Aug '11 16:55
    http://tacticstime.com/?p=658

    On my website, I have a bunch of games and tactical positions (many taken from RHP), where you have to decide if the Legal's pseudo sac works or not.

    I found that a lot of times white would play Nxe5, and would get away with it, but actually black could have refuted the whole thing.

    Cheers,
    Tim
  10. 25 Aug '11 09:25
    Here is one I just played in blitz, it shouldn't have worked, but it did.

  11. 27 Sep '11 12:08 / 1 edit
    From a blitz game. Not exactly a legal's sac, but I got the idea from reading this post. Thanks Jenn!

  12. Subscriber PureRWandB
    CCC Club Leader
    29 Sep '11 03:34 / 1 edit
    Here is an old one of mine back when my rating wasn't as high.




    And what is this mate called?

  13. Standard member yosiman
    Genius
    29 Sep '11 06:46
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    Here is an old one of mine back when my rating wasn't as high.

    [pgn][Event "Challenge"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2007.01.20"]
    [EndDate "2007.01.22"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "PureRWandB"]
    [Black "Firebird12"]
    [WhiteRating "1452"]
    [BlackRating "1128"]
    [WhiteElo "1452"]
    [BlackElo "1128"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [GameId "3050972"]

    1. e4 c ...[text shortened]... Bg6xd3 16. Ng7e6 fxe6 17. Bh3xe6 1-0[/pgn]
    Hmm but what would you have done if he hadn't taken the knight, i wonder.
  14. 29 Sep '11 09:57
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    Here is an old one of mine back when my rating wasn't as high.


    And what is this mate called?

    [pgn][Event "Challenge"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2010.06.17"]
    [EndDate "2010.07.17"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "PureRWandB"]
    [Black "dhubbcap"]
    [WhiteRating "1452"]
    [BlackRating "1593"]
    [WhiteElo "1452"]
    [BlackElo "1593"]
    [Result "1-0 ...[text shortened]... 14. Kg1h1 Bc5f8 15. Qd1d3 Bg6xd3 16. Ng7e6 fxe6 17. Bh3xe6 1-0[/pgn]
    Boden's mate I believe.

    Check out this thread which has the mirror image mate of yours
    Thread 141537
  15. 29 Sep '11 22:40
    For once I get to be part of a "cool trick" club. I didn't think this was a true legal's mate, but someone else told me it was.