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  1. 18 Apr '08 01:26
    Any games that have lasted more than- I'm not sure -say. 13 moves,? As in a game I am playing at the moment, before a piece is taken?

    How unusual is this?
  2. 18 Apr '08 02:01
    Originally posted by Mike Rice
    Any games that have lasted more than- I'm not sure -say. 13 moves,? As in a game I am playing at the moment, before a piece is taken?

    How unusual is this?
    I wouldn't think 13 moves would be too unusual. FYI, according to Tim Krabbe's Chess Curiosities web site, the record for the latest first capture was on move 94 in the game Rogoff - Williams, Stockholm, World Junior ch, 1969.
  3. 18 Apr '08 03:16
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    I wouldn't think 13 moves would be too unusual. FYI, according to Tim Krabbe's Chess Curiosities web site, the record for the latest first capture was on move 94 in the game Rogoff - Williams, Stockholm, World Junior ch, 1969.
    http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/records/recordstxt.htm#Latest%20first%20capture

    would be neat if their was info on those games! It's too bad I can't find anything tho
  4. 18 Apr '08 03:40
    I found the game. Here it follows

    [Event "Wch U20 fin-B"]
    [Site "Stockholm"]
    [Date "1969.??.??"]
    [Round "10"]
    [White "Rogoff,Kenneth"]
    [Black "Williams,Arthur Howard"]
    [Result "1/2"]
    [Eco "E70"]
    1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 g6 6.h3 Bg7 7.Bd3 0-0 8.Nge2 Na6
    9.Bg5 Nb4 10.Bb1 Na6 11.Qd2 Rb8 12.Bd3 Qd7 13.Rg1 Nb4 14.Bb1 Ne8 15.a3 Na6 16.g4 Bf6
    17.Bh6 Bg7 18.Bg5 Bf6 19.Bh6 Bg7 20.Be3 Kh8 21.Bd3 Nf6 22.Ng3 Ng8 23.Rb1 Qe7 24.f3 Bd7
    25.Nb5 Ra8 26.Nc3 Rab8 27.Bc2 Qe8 28.Qd1 Qe7 29.Ba4 Bc8 30.Bc2 Bd7 31.Qe2 Bf6 32.Qg2 Bg5
    33.Bf2 Bf6 34.Bd3 Nc7 35.Qf1 Ra8 36.Qe2 Rfb8 37.Kf1 Na6 38.Qd2 Bg5 39.Be3 Bh4 40.b3 Bf6
    41.Rb2 Qf8 42.Qc1 Bd8 43.Bf2 Ba5 44.Na2 Bd8 45.Nc3 Qh6 46.Be3 Qf8 47.Rh2 h6 48.Rhg2 Ba5
    49.Na2 Bd8 50.Nf5 Kh7 51.Bf2 Bg5 52.Ne3 Nc7 53.h4 Be7 54.b4 b6 55.Bg3 Qe8 56.Rb2 Bf8
    57.Kg2 Bg7 58.Qd1 Qd8 59.Kh2 Be8 60.Rgg2 Na6 61.Bc2 Bf6 62.Qe1 Nc7 63.Re2 Bd7 64.Ng2 Qe8
    65.Bf2 Ba4 66.Bb1 Bd7 67.Qd2 Bc8 68.Bc2 Ba6 69.Bd3 Bg7 70.Re1 Bc8 71.Qd1 Ne7 72.Ne3 Bf6
    73.Nc3 Ng8 74.Qa4 Bd7 75.Qd1 Qe7 76.Ng2 Qd8 77.Bc2 Kg7 78.Ba4 Bc8 79.Bc6 Bb7 80.Ba4 Ne7
    81.Bc2 Ba6 82.Bd3 Bc8 83.Qd2 Ng8 84.Reb1 Bd7 85.Kg3 Be7 86.Be3 Kh7 87.Qe1 Qc8 88.Kh2 Bf8
    89.Bf2 Be8 90.Be3 Na6 91.Na2 Be7 92.Nc1 Bd8 93.Nb3 Ne7 94.bxc5 bxc5 95.Nc1 Ba4 96.Rxb8 Rxb8
    97.Rxb8 Qxb8 98.Qc3 Nc8 99.Bc2 Be8 100.Nd3 Nb6 101.Nb2 Nd7 102.Ba4 Qb6 103.Kg1 Kg8 104.Bc6 Nab8
    105.Bb5 a6 106.Ba4 Qa5 1/2
  5. 18 Apr '08 03:54
    Originally posted by DagamoStyle
    I found the game. Here it follows

    [Event "Wch U20 fin-B"]
    [Site "Stockholm"]
    [Date "1969.??.??"]
    [Round "10"]
    [White "Rogoff,Kenneth"]
    [Black "Williams,Arthur Howard"]
    [Result "1/2"]
    [Eco "E70"]
    1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 g6 6.h3 Bg7 7.Bd3 0-0 8.Nge2 Na6
    9.Bg5 Nb4 10.Bb1 Na6 11.Qd2 Rb8 12.Bd3 Qd7 13.Rg1 Nb4 14.Bb1 Ne8 15.a3 Na6 1 ...[text shortened]... b6 101.Nb2 Nd7 102.Ba4 Qb6 103.Kg1 Kg8 104.Bc6 Nab8
    105.Bb5 a6 106.Ba4 Qa5 1/2
    the game doesn't end at 106... thats what i was saying...if you read the link you'd see that it actually lasted for over 200 moves... but the data is gone
  6. 18 Apr '08 17:07 / 1 edit
    Game 4658541

    This game started 1.e4 c5 2.Ne2 e5 3.a4 and lasted 17 more moves until a piece capture was made. It was the longest I've played before a piece capture... so thats 20 moves.
  7. 19 Apr '08 16:05
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Game 4658541

    This game started 1.e4 c5 2.Ne2 e5 3.a4 and lasted 17 more moves until a piece capture was made. It was the longest I've played before a piece capture... so thats 20 moves.
    hmmm, there was a pawn capture on move 10... I don't want to get into semantics, but I think there should be no captures at all for it to count.

    I know personally I love the tight strategic positions that you can get into when there are no captures for 15-20 moves... haven't really had one of these games on RHP yet, but when I do i'll be sure to share.
  8. Standard member Yuga
    Renaissance
    19 Apr '08 17:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Mike Rice
    Any games that have lasted more than- I'm not sure -say. 13 moves,? As in a game I am playing at the moment, before a piece is taken?

    How unusual is this?
    Depends on the nature of the game and intentions of the players.

    I played this very boring game just now as part of an opening and pawn breaks experiment and also to break the record for funsies although I am sure that some players who have played chess programs have played similarly - building a fortress and then premoving; there is no pawn or piece capture until the 138th move. After 14. 0-0-0, might as well fast-forward to about the 135th move.

    [Event "Blitz:5'"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2008.04.19"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Yuga"]
    [Black "Fritz 8"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [ECO "A00"]
    [PlyCount "294"]

    1. e3 e5 2. d3 Nf6 3. c3 d5 4. b3 Bd6 5. a3 O-O 6. Ne2 Bg4 7. h3 Be6 8. Bb2 Nc6 9. g3 a5 10. Qc2 a4 11. b4 Bf5 12. Nd2 e4 13. d4 b5 14. O-O-O Ne7 15. Kb1 Qd7 16. Ka1 Rae8 17. Bg2 Ng6 18. Rdf1 Qc6 19. Rfg1 Nd7 20. Rd1 Nb6 21. Bf1 Rd8 22. Ng1 Nc4 23. Bc1 Rfe8 24. Nb1 Ne7 25. Ne2 Bd7 26. Qa2 Nf5 27. Qc2 Rf8 28. Qa2 Rb8 29. Qc2 Ra8 30. Qa2 Rfe8 31. Qc2 Be7 32. Qa2 Nfd6 33. Qc2 Rac8 34. Qa2 Rcd8 35. Qc2 Nf5 36. Qa2 Bf6 37. Qc2 Kh8 38. Qa2 Nfd6 39. Qc2 Rf8 40. Qa2 Kg8 41. Qc2 Rfe8 42. Qa2 Nb6 43. Qc2 Ndc4 44. Qa2 Be7 45. Qc2 Qf6 46. Ng1 Bd6 47. Qa2 h5 48. Qc2 h4 49. g4 Be7 50. Qa2 Rf8 51. Qc2 Rde8 52. Qa2 Bd6 53. Qc2 Kh8 54. Qa2 c6 55. Qc2 Rd8 56. Qa2 Qe7 57. Qc2 Rfe8 58. Qa2 Qf6 59. Qc2 Be6 60. Qa2 Rd7 61. Qc2 Kg8 62. Qa2 Rdd8 63. Qc2 Re7 64. Qa2 Bc8 65. Qc2 Rde8 66. Qa2 Re6 67. Qc2 Rf8 68. Qa2 Bb7 69. Qc2 Rd8 70. Qa2 Rd7 71. Qc2 Bc8 72. Qa2 Bc7 73. Qc2 Nd6 74. Qa2 Nbc4 75. Qc2 Kh8 76. Qa2 Re8 77. Qc2 Kg8 78. Qa2 Rdd8 79. Qc2 Be6 80. Qa2 Rd7 81. Qc2 Nb6 82. Qa2 Ndc4 83. Qc2 Bb8 84. Qa2 Nc8 85. Qc2 N8d6 86. Qa2 Rdd8 87. Qc2 Nb6 88. Qa2 Ndc4 89. Qc2 Re7 90. Qa2 Nd6 91. Qc2 Rde8 92. Qa2 Rd7 93. Qc2 Rb7 94. Qa2 Ndc4 95. Qc2 Bd6 96. Qa2 Kh8 97. Qc2 Ree7 98. Qa2 Bc8 99. Qc2 Kg8 100. Qa2 Rbd7 101. Qc2 Ra7 102. Qa2 g6 103. Qc2 Re6 104. Qa2 Re8 105. Qc2 Bf8 106. Qa2 Bg7 107. Qc2 Ra6 108. Qa2 Re7 109. Qc2 Raa7 110. Qa2 Be6 111. Qc2 Nc8 112. Qa2 Re8 113. Qc2 N8d6 114. Qa2 Ree7 115. Qc2 Ra8 116. Qa2 Rf8 117. Qc2 Ree8 118. Qa2 Kh7 119. Qc2 Bh6 120. Qa2 Kg8 121. Qc2 Rd8 122. Qa2 Bg7 123. Qc2 Rfe8 124. Qa2 Rc8 125. Qc2 Rc7 126. Qa2 Ree7 127. Qc2 Rc8 128. Qa2 Rd7 129. Qc2 Rdd8 130. Qa2 Rf8 131. Qc2 Bh6 132. Qa2 Rb8 133. Qc2 Bg7 134. Qa2 Ra8 135. Qc2 Qe7 136. Ne2 g5 137. Rg1 f5 138. gxf5 Bxf5 139. Bd2 Rad8 140. Be1 Bg6 141. Nc1 Bh5 142. Be2 Bxe2 143. Qxe2 Rf3 144. Rh1 Rdf8 145. Nd2 Nxd2 146. Rxd2 Qe6 147. Qf1 Nc4 0-1

    Neglect of h3, a3 and the weakness on f2 led to my downfall. After Black’s erroneous breaks on the queenside and center locking both parts of the board, his plan should be f5-g4-h3 and Black did get the correct idea eventually. Taking the knight move 23 is definitely the best move so I do not have to worry about a knight on c4 and can more easily rearrange my pieces and build a kingside fortress; unfortunately white’s setup was not very good! I’m fairly confident white can draw the game without too much trouble especially if white had taken NxN move 23 and better position my pieces to the Kside perhaps with Rh1/Rg1/Bf1/Be1.