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Magnus Carlsen Vs Alexander Onischuk

Magnus Carlsen Vs Alexander Onischuk

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I watched a youtube video about a tie-break match between Carlsen and Onischuk.

I was baffled to see that the tie-break match started with White having 5 minutes on the clock whereas Black had only 4 minutes.

Can someone please explain?

Are there any hidden benefits?

Who gets to choose the color?

Is tehre a toss or something in a tie-break match like this?

Since White has a minute more, I would go for White unless I know if there are any hidden advantages for Black.

Lot of questions in my sleepy head 😉

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Originally posted by ram1977
I watched a youtube video about a tie-break match between Carlsen and Onischuk.

I was baffled to see that the tie-break match started with White having 5 minutes on the clock whereas Black had only 4 minutes.

Can someone please explain?

Are there any hidden benefits?

Who gets to choose the color?

Is tehre a toss or something in a tie-break m ...[text shortened]... ss I know if there are any hidden advantages for Black.

Lot of questions in my sleepy head 😉
That sounds like an Armageddon game. The hidden advantage for Black is that Black only needs a draw to win the match. I don't know how the colours are decided, but I doubt one of the players can choose a colour.

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Originally posted by Nordlys
That sounds like an Armageddon game. The hidden advantage for Black is that Black only needs a draw to win the match. I don't know how the colours are decided, but I doubt one of the players can choose a colour.
Yes, that's right. I think they usually toss a coin and the winner chooses colours. Nearly everyone chooses Black.

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Originally posted by David Tebb
Yes, that's right. I think they usually toss a coin and the winner chooses colours. Nearly everyone chooses Black.
I've never encountered such a game myself, but I thought one player gets to choose the time controls (something like 5 vs. 4, 6½ vs. 5) and the other consequently gets to choose whether he wants to play White or Black under such time controls.

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It would be interesting to see the stats on armageddon games. If it's "fair" then it should be 50-50, assuming no rating difference, right?

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Originally posted by Nordlys
That sounds like an Armageddon game. The hidden advantage for Black is that Black only needs a draw to win the match. I don't know how the colours are decided, but I doubt one of the players can choose a colour.
Thanks for clarifying...

I have observed another (probably not-so-important) thing...

I am right-handed and I prefer my clock to be on my right side (just to reach it and save a couple of milli-seconds 😀)

What if my opponent is also right-handed and prefers the clock to be on his/her right hand-side? It might sound like 'ewww' but I'd be glad if I get enlightened by someone like Nordlys 🙂

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Originally posted by ram1977
Thanks for clarifying...

I have observed another (probably not-so-important) thing...

I am right-handed and I prefer my clock to be on my right side (just to reach it and save a couple of milli-seconds 😀)

What if my opponent is also right-handed and prefers the clock to be on his/her right hand-side? It might sound like 'ewww' but I'd be glad if I get enlightened by someone like Nordlys 🙂
The player of the Black pieces always gets to choose on which side the clock is.

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Originally posted by heinzkat
The player of the Black pieces always gets to choose on which side the clock is.
Oh!!! Is there a rule like that?! News to me... Thanks for clarifying heinzkat

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Originally posted by heinzkat
The player of the Black pieces always gets to choose on which side the clock is.
FIDE laws of chess:

6.4 Before the start of the game the arbiter decides where the chess clock is placed.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
FIDE laws of chess:

6.4 Before the start of the game the arbiter decides where the chess clock is placed.
Good one. Forgot about that, silly me. I always heavily protest when the clock is placed on the right, though. Normally the clock placement is only enforced in team or tournament games, and not in games on a 'casual' club evening. (at least I think so, there we go again!)

Excuse me for the incorrect information. Should have known better!!

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I beleive that both of you are right The arbeiter decide where the clack is standing and black decide in which direction the chessboard is standing.
With this I mean that black choose which side of the table he wants to sit on, and then they rotate the chessboard so that black is playing black.

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Originally posted by DagamoStyle
I beleive that both of you are right The arbeiter decide where the clack is standing and black decide in which direction the chessboard is standing.
With this I mean that black choose which side of the table he wants to sit on, and then they rotate the chessboard so that black is playing black.
Never heard of that one. As far as I know there is nothing about that in the FIDE rules. In most tournaments/competitions that I witnessed, the organizers or the home team decided on the arrangement of the boards, and of the clocks, with the (mostly silent) approval of the arbiter, and normally in advance of the game start. The arbiter would also agree on proposed changes if/when both players agreed.

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This type of rules can naturally not be used in team-matches. It is not good to mix up the players from the both teams 😉

I beleive this type of rules are used in blitz and rapid chess.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
FIDE laws of chess:

6.4 Before the start of the game the arbiter decides where the chess clock is placed.
In USCF tournament games, Black gets choice of whether to have the clock on his right or his left.

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
In USCF tournament games, Black gets choice of whether to have the clock on his right or his left.
Is that your experience or is it written in USCF rules somewhere?