I am finally at the 1600 level and would like to keep it there.
So whats better, I have a game now where I am about to lose and am putting it on hold with the hopes that I will win a couple more and still end up above 1600, vain I know but what the hey. So is it better to do that or just resign, take my lumps which puts me back at 1590 or so and win the others as I normally would? Which strategy puts me at a higher rating after all the smoke clears or does it not matter?
Originally posted by sonhouseJust resign! You'll get the points back.
I am finally at the 1600 level and would like to keep it there.
So whats better, I have a game now where I am about to lose and am putting it on hold with the hopes that I will win a couple more and still end up above 1600, vain I know but what the hey. So is it better to do that or just resign, take my lumps which puts me back at 1590 or so and win the ot ...[text shortened]... uld? Which strategy puts me at a higher rating after all the smoke clears or does it not matter?
Originally posted by sonhouseIt makes no difference, as ratings are calculated by what they were when the game started, I think.
I am finally at the 1600 level and would like to keep it there.
So whats better, I have a game now where I am about to lose and am putting it on hold with the hopes that I will win a couple more and still end up above 1600, vain I know but what the hey. So is it better to do that or just resign, take my lumps which puts me back at 1590 or so and win the ot ...[text shortened]... uld? Which strategy puts me at a higher rating after all the smoke clears or does it not matter?
You shouldn't try to stall just for some small rating benefit. Its unsportman-like.
Originally posted by Positional PlayerNo, you're wrong, Positional. Ratings are calculated by what the rating is at the time of the loss - when the game ends! I've beaten 1700 rated players on here who during the game drop down to the 900s... and what did I end up with? 4 points for the win!
It makes no difference, as ratings are calculated by what they were when the game started, I think.
You shouldn't try to stall just for some small rating benefit. Its unsportman-like.
Originally posted by ShinidokiHey I know its pathetic, just curious about the math, I know it will more or less shake out where it will.
i find it rather sad that your asking this.....
trying to save a 2-3 points.....pathetic..
BYW, your profile says you are not Japanese, don't speak Japanese but you have this Japanese sounding handle. Whyforbedat?
Originally posted by sonhouseYou've been there before. If you wish to maintain it, the best strategy is to play well.
I am finally at the 1600 level and would like to keep it there.
So whats better, I have a game now where I am about to lose and am putting it on hold with the hopes that I will win a couple more and still end up above 1600, vain I know but what the hey. So is it better to do that or just resign, take my lumps which puts me back at 1590 or so and win the ot ...[text shortened]... uld? Which strategy puts me at a higher rating after all the smoke clears or does it not matter?
Originally posted by sonhouseI am a part-time Ninja assassin.....hence the name
Hey I know its pathetic, just curious about the math, I know it will more or less shake out where it will.
BYW, your profile says you are not Japanese, don't speak Japanese but you have this Japanese sounding handle. Whyforbedat?
Originally posted by sonhouseIf you have two games, game A, which you'll win, and game B, which you'll lose, it's best for your final rating to conclude game B first.
Hey I know its pathetic, just curious about the math, I know it will more or less shake out where it will.
BYW, your profile says you are not Japanese, don't speak Japanese but you have this Japanese sounding handle. Whyforbedat?
realize this is not a way to get your rating up, long term anyway, but here is some math:
if you are about to lose a game and win a game it is better for your rating to lose first.
you lose, are low and get more points for a win (or lose less for another loss).
example1 :
(made these numbers up)
you are 1500, lose from a 1500 player and drop 15 points to 1485
then you win from a 1500 player and since you are now rated 15 pts below him you exceec your win expectency a bit more then your previous opponent did so you now gain 17 points.
Leaves you at 1502.
if you do it the other way around your rating goes 1500 --> 1515 --> 1498 so slightly less then 1502
example 2:
you are a 1500 player, lose to 5 1500 players and win from 5 other 1500 players.
if you lose 5x first your rating goes like
(loss 1)1500 -15 --> (2)1485 -14 --> (3)1481 -13 --> (4)1467 -12 --> (5)1455 -11 -->1444 (halfway rating)
then your five wins come
(1)1444+ 19 -->(2)1463+ 18 -->(3)1482+ 17--> (4) 1499+16(5)1515 +14 --> 1529(end rating)
I am quite sure these numbers aren't correct and that this makes the effect seem bigger then it really is, but the idea must be correct 🙂
PS. If your rating isn't based on many games a game that is played earlyer counts more then the next one so it prolly won't work then.
Originally posted by Positional PlayerReally? I thought on RHP, the current rating was used...
It makes no difference, as ratings are calculated by what they were when the game started, I think.
You shouldn't try to stall just for some small rating benefit. Its unsportman-like.
Originally posted by TestriderI know your number are made up but the 4 point difference is neglibile. I don't belive it makes a difference.
realize this is not a way to get your rating up, long term anyway, but here is some math:
if you are about to lose a game and win a game it is better for your rating to lose first.
you lose, are low and get more points for a win (or lose less for another loss).
example1 :
(made these numbers up)
you are 1500, lose from a 1500 player and drop 1 ...[text shortened]... mes a game that is played earlyer counts more then the next one so it prolly won't work then.
If you lose to a 1500 player and you are 1500 then you lose 16 points.
thus you are at 1484, then you beat a 1500 player you get 16+ 1 = 17 points therefore you are at 1501.
The other way now, 1500 + win over 1500 = 1516, then a lose to a 1500 player = 16+1 = 17 point lose therefore, 1499.
The 2 points is nothing because of rounding error etc...
Plus this is the big thing, keep in mind ratings are calculated at the using end rating so if your opponents rating changes then its a risk you are taking.
Say you are 1500 and you are winning vs a 1500 player and losing vs a 1500 player. When both games are over, the one you are winning his rating is 1500 so you get 16 point for that but the one you are losing, his rating drops to 1300 so you lose 24 points at least.
So for the original poster are you a gambling person? Boo Ya.
Originally posted by RahimKInteresting. There is a strategie then. My luck I will lose BOTH🙂
I know your number are made up but the 4 point difference is neglibile. I don't belive it makes a difference.
If you lose to a 1500 player and you are 1500 then you lose 16 points.
thus you are at 1484, then you beat a 1500 player you get 16+ 1 = 17 points therefore you are at 1501.
The other way now, 1500 + win over 1500 = 1516, then a lose to a 150 ...[text shortened]... o you lose 24 points at least.
So for the original poster are you a gambling person? Boo Ya.
Hmmmm...seems like if you know you have some wins in your pocket, it'd be best to resign now. If you win several games before taking the loss, your rating will be higher and you'll drop more points when you lose. If you resign now while your rating is lower, you'll lose less points before you collect your "won" games, and gain more points when you win because you have a lower rating due to the loss.
I think. (The difference is negligible, anyway, so why sweat it?)
Originally posted by sonhouseI resign games when I know they are over, don't care much about the measly potential extra points. From my experience, the opponents rating goes down rather then up, thus you lose more points so better resign when his rating is still high or if somehow he mass timeouts his games and his rating hits rock bottom and you gotta resign, you lose a big chunk of you points.
Interesting. There is a strategie then. My luck I will lose BOTH🙂
Personal opinion though. Gambling people might take the risk, but I don't.