Milner Barry Reckless Variation

Alopinto

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22 Jul 05

Alopinto

Joined: 12 Jul 04
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22 Jul 05

Dear all,

I am looking for someone to help me answer a question regarding the variation 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Qb6 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.Nc3 Qxd4 9.0-0 Qxe5 10.Re1 Qd6 11.Nb5 Bxb5 12.Bxb5+ Kd8

Is it good or bad for Black? The game is unrated and should you wish use computers, databases, etc. I am just trying to see if I can hold this position as Black and in the challenge posted I ask for this specific variation.

Kind regards,

Alopi

Siskin

over your head

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22 Jul 05

It's a dead loss for black

Alopinto

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22 Jul 05

Originally posted by Siskin
It's a dead loss for black

Is it? I honestly don't see it 🙁

ark13

Enola Straight

mouse mouse mouse

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22 Jul 05

1 edit

Umm, perhaps the program didn't like the way the lines were written, but I had black giving his queen away twice, and white declining the gift. Is this the way it's supposed to be?

XanthosNZ

Cancerous Bus Crash

p^2.sin(phi)

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22 Jul 05

Originally posted by ark13
Umm, perhaps the program didn't like the way the lines were written, but I had black giving his queen away twice, and black declining the gift.

Mine too. Perhaps the notation is wrong.

Siskin

over your head

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22 Jul 05

1 edit

Edit: Though after 9. ... Qxe5 simply 10. Nxe5 wins ... perhaps there is some mistake in the original post?

12.Nxd6 or 12.Bg5+, and White has a huge material advantage, 11. ... Qb8 is the only playable move

Alopinto

Joined: 12 Jul 04
Moves: 3836

25 Jul 05

Originally posted by Siskin
12.Nxd6 or 12.Bg5+, and White has a huge material advantage, 11. ... Qb8 is the only playable move

Sorry about that guys:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Qb6 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.0-0 Nxd4 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 10.Nc3 Qxe5 11.Re1 Qd6 12.Nb5 Bxb5 13.Bxb5+ Kd8 is the variation...

!~TONY~!

1...c5!

Your Kingside

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25 Jul 05

Originally posted by Alopinto
Sorry about that guys:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Qb6 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.0-0 Nxd4 9.Nxd4 Qxd4 10.Nc3 Qxe5 11.Re1 Qd6 12.Nb5 Bxb5 13.Bxb5+ Kd8 is the variation...

Watson's awesome "Play The French" just says that Black is doing great theoretically in this line, it's just hard to play the best moves and get white's play to die out. Apparently there is nothing wrong with it. I was skeptical about this, so I let Fritz tackle it for a while, and it basically gave White a small edge, then it petered out to equality, then I got bored. 🙂

Alopinto

Joined: 12 Jul 04
Moves: 3836

26 Jul 05

Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Watson's awesome "Play The French" just says that Black is doing great theoretically in this line, it's just hard to play the best moves and get white's play to die out. Apparently there is nothing wrong with it. I was skeptical about this, so I let Fritz tackle it for a while, and it basically gave White a small edge, then it petered out to equality, then I got bored. 🙂

IM Gary Lane in his book beating the French expresses that this is bad for Black. Fritz does think that it leans towards equality but I am not so sure... I recently ran a thematic tournament at home with some respectable engines (cat 10 tournament with av rating of 2488... Boy!) [ Crafty, Ruffian, Abrok, Aristarch and Green Light Chess ] The statistics show +8 =4 -7 which are not conclussive... The best way to attack this was found by Crafty that offered the fantastic Qh5! at the end of the line (also discussed by Lane...) I will continue working on this and will give my opponent the results of my research in a unrated game I am playing...

Rgds

Alop