13 May 12
Originally posted by ExumaIsn't that a nice defense of the idea that Cohonas is not using engines? Clearly, any engine would have seen that.
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[Event "March 2011 Quartets IV"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2012.04.04"]
[EndDate "2012.05.02"]
[Round "2"]
[White "cohonas"]
[Black "fixli"]
[WhiteRating "2430"]
[BlackRating "1451"]
[WhiteElo "2430"]
[BlackElo "1451"]
[Result "1-0"]
[GameId "9191303"]
1. Ng1f3 Nb8c6 2. d4 d5 3. c4 dxc4 4. d5 Nc6b8 5. e4 b5 6. a4 Bc8a6 7 ...[text shortened]... {?Qd8!} Kc8xc7 15. Bc1f4 Kc7xc6 16. Qd1d5 Kc6b6 17. Nc5a4 1-0
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13 May 12
Originally posted by sonhouseThere are arguments for both sides there. On the one hand, an engine would never miss that, so obviously he wasn't using one at this point in the game/time. On the other hand, would a 2400 rated player, able to hold his own with all the strong players on the site, overlook a mate in one? A rating like that DEMANDS accuracy.
Isn't that a nice defense of the idea that Cohonas is not using engines? Clearly, any engine would have seen that.
I could definitely see just snagging a material edge and not wasting much time on lower rated players, but I'm not 2400.
I draw no conclusions here, just stating both sides of the coin.
The gamed does nothing for either argument, in my opinion.
13 May 12
Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsActually the game looks quite lost for black anyway....
There are arguments for both sides there. On the one hand, an engine would never miss that, so obviously he wasn't using one at this point in the game/time. On the other hand, would a 2400 rated player, able to hold his own with all the strong players on the site, overlook a mate in one? A rating like that DEMANDS accuracy.
I could defin ...[text shortened]... stating both sides of the coin.
The gamed does nothing for either argument, in my opinion.
so white could have several motifs for not taking the checkmate:
* experimenting around a bit?
* seeing a more interesting mate?
* not really taking care about how long the game would be?
* checkmating with a Knight instead of a Queen?
* simply overlooking the mate and taking the valuable Queen (this is a patzer argument)
* doing a 1400+ without silicon (it is some wrok to keep track of all that games)
some are clearly human argumnets, but nothing is prooved either way.
On the argument that really weak moves are asign of not using a computer: I ratherb think it would be a sign of one. In fact people like me are too lazy to use the analysis boad consequently. But if I do I catch most really weak moves of mine..,. I I should take all of this more serious.
13 May 12
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Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromficsMy guess is he saw the mate but wanted to toy with his 1400 opponent. He knew he was winning one way or the other. Even if he was 'just' a 2000 player, the opponent would have been way outclassed. Even missing the 1 mover, he won in 17 moves.
There are arguments for both sides there. On the one hand, an engine would never miss that, so obviously he wasn't using one at this point in the game/time. On the other hand, would a 2400 rated player, able to hold his own with all the strong players on the site, overlook a mate in one? A rating like that DEMANDS accuracy.
I could defin stating both sides of the coin.
The gamed does nothing for either argument, in my opinion.
13 May 12
Originally posted by WilfriedvaI've done this. He probably spent less than 10 seconds on the whole enterprise at that point, and moved on to other games.
my guess is he didn't see the mate because he wasn't looking for it.Having a totally won game against a much lower rated palyer,cohonas just snatched the queen without really looking
