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  1. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    13 May '12 04:52
  2. 13 May '12 09:12
    been there,done that,t-shirts sold out
  3. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    13 May '12 14:36
    Originally posted by Exuma
    [pgn]

    [Event "March 2011 Quartets IV"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2012.04.04"]
    [EndDate "2012.05.02"]
    [Round "2"]
    [White "cohonas"]
    [Black "fixli"]
    [WhiteRating "2430"]
    [BlackRating "1451"]
    [WhiteElo "2430"]
    [BlackElo "1451"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [GameId "9191303"]

    1. Ng1f3 Nb8c6 2. d4 d5 3. c4 dxc4 4. d5 Nc6b8 5. e4 b5 6. a4 Bc8a6 7 ...[text shortened]... {?Qd8!} Kc8xc7 15. Bc1f4 Kc7xc6 16. Qd1d5 Kc6b6 17. Nc5a4 1-0
    [/pgn]
    Isn't that a nice defense of the idea that Cohonas is not using engines? Clearly, any engine would have seen that.
  4. 13 May '12 16:02
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Isn't that a nice defense of the idea that Cohonas is not using engines? Clearly, any engine would have seen that.
    There are arguments for both sides there. On the one hand, an engine would never miss that, so obviously he wasn't using one at this point in the game/time. On the other hand, would a 2400 rated player, able to hold his own with all the strong players on the site, overlook a mate in one? A rating like that DEMANDS accuracy.

    I could definitely see just snagging a material edge and not wasting much time on lower rated players, but I'm not 2400.

    I draw no conclusions here, just stating both sides of the coin.

    The gamed does nothing for either argument, in my opinion.
  5. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    13 May '12 16:14
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    There are arguments for both sides there. On the one hand, an engine would never miss that, so obviously he wasn't using one at this point in the game/time. On the other hand, would a 2400 rated player, able to hold his own with all the strong players on the site, overlook a mate in one? A rating like that DEMANDS accuracy.

    I could defin ...[text shortened]... stating both sides of the coin.

    The gamed does nothing for either argument, in my opinion.
    Actually the game looks quite lost for black anyway....

    so white could have several motifs for not taking the checkmate:

    * experimenting around a bit?
    * seeing a more interesting mate?
    * not really taking care about how long the game would be?
    * checkmating with a Knight instead of a Queen?
    * simply overlooking the mate and taking the valuable Queen (this is a patzer argument)
    * doing a 1400+ without silicon (it is some wrok to keep track of all that games)

    some are clearly human argumnets, but nothing is prooved either way.

    On the argument that really weak moves are asign of not using a computer: I ratherb think it would be a sign of one. In fact people like me are too lazy to use the analysis boad consequently. But if I do I catch most really weak moves of mine..,. I I should take all of this more serious.
  6. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    13 May '12 16:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    There are arguments for both sides there. On the one hand, an engine would never miss that, so obviously he wasn't using one at this point in the game/time. On the other hand, would a 2400 rated player, able to hold his own with all the strong players on the site, overlook a mate in one? A rating like that DEMANDS accuracy.

    I could defin stating both sides of the coin.

    The gamed does nothing for either argument, in my opinion.
    My guess is he saw the mate but wanted to toy with his 1400 opponent. He knew he was winning one way or the other. Even if he was 'just' a 2000 player, the opponent would have been way outclassed. Even missing the 1 mover, he won in 17 moves.
  7. 13 May '12 16:48 / 2 edits
    my guess is he didn't see the mate because he wasn't looking for it.Having a totally won game against a much lower rated palyer,cohonas just snatched the queen without really looking
  8. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    13 May '12 22:29
    Originally posted by Wilfriedva
    my guess is he didn't see the mate because he wasn't looking for it.Having a totally won game against a much lower rated palyer,cohonas just snatched the queen without really looking
    I've done this. He probably spent less than 10 seconds on the whole enterprise at that point, and moved on to other games.
  9. Subscriber dzirilli
    Duchampion
    14 May '12 03:26
    even *I* saw that mate in 2 seconds
  10. 14 May '12 16:00
    Originally posted by dzirilli
    even *I* saw that mate in 2 seconds
    yes,but you clicked on a thread titled 'missed mate in one'
    .cohonas opened the game,saw no threats and an enemy queen hanging,thought that was what he was doing and snatched it.

    my guess anyway