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  1. Standard member menace71
    Can't win a game of
    27 Mar '09 16:36
    Game 6113054

    I've been taking the advice given and looking at losses and such. I'm still learning notation but how should I have played this? I think because the game was past 70 moves and My opponent ask for a draw a few moves back I felt compelled to be a gentleman about it and not drag it on. I've seen in past post where when asked for a draw that it's ok to ask your opponent to prove the draw. Thanks for any advice or comments good or bad.

    Manny
  2. 27 Mar '09 16:44
    Looks like an easy win for Black from that position. e.g.

    73. ... Kb5 74. Kc2 Kb4 75. Kb2 c3+ 76. Kc2 Kc4 77. Kc1 Kd3 78. Kd1 c4
    79. Kc1 c2 80. Kb2 Kd2
  3. Standard member JonathanB of London
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    27 Mar '09 17:41
    Originally posted by menace71
    I think because the game was past 70 moves and My opponent ask for a draw a few moves back I felt compelled to be a gentleman about it and not drag it on.
    There's nothing 'gentlemanly' (if that's a word) about playing on if you wish to do so for any reason.

    No need for you to agree in that position - forget the objective assessment it's clear that you can't lose. The worst you can is draw. The best he can do is draw. So what do you have to gain by agreeing a draw at that point? Nothing as far as I can see.

    Play games on as long as it takes/as long as you want.

    If you're opponent (I mean in general not referring to the guy in that particular game) doesn't want to keep playing he's always free to resign
  4. 27 Mar '09 20:28
    A nicely instructive king and pawn endgame position! What makes this winnable for Black is his second pawn, which can be used to waste a tempo at the proper time to take the opposition from White (move 78...c4). If Black only had one pawn, say the c4 pawn with the black king on c5, White would have been able to hold the draw with proper defense.
  5. Standard member menace71
    Can't win a game of
    28 Mar '09 04:05
    Looks like an easy win for Black from that position. e.g.

    73. ... Kb5 74. Kc2 Kb4 75. Kb2 c3+ 76. Kc2 Kc4 77. Kc1 Kd3 78. Kd1 c4
    79. Kc1 c2 80. Kb2 Kd2

    I'm going to play this out tomorrow on my board. Don't have any software or engines but figured it would be fun to play.

    Thanks
    Manny
  6. 28 Mar '09 16:34
    Originally posted by menace71
    Game 6113054

    I think because the game was past 70 moves and My opponent ask for a draw a few moves back I felt compelled to be a gentleman about it and not drag it on. I've seen in past post where when asked for a draw that it's ok to ask your opponent to prove the draw. Thanks for any advice or comments good or bad.

    Manny
    As Fat Lady shows this is an easy win for Black.
    On the length of games, if you think you have winning chances play on. While 70 moves is probably above the average length of game, it is nowhere near the longest. Following are examples.
    The longest in a world championship match : -
    Korchnoi v Karpov; 5th game 1978 : stalemate after 124 moves.
    The longest Game won and lost : -
    Wolf v Duras; Carlsbad, 1907 : 168 moves and 22·5 hours play.
    The longest Game I know of is : -
    Nikolic v Arsovic; Belgrade, 1989 : Drawn after 269 moves.
  7. 28 Mar '09 17:24
    Yeah, Fat Lady and Mad Rook are spot on correct. Be sure to look up the chess term "Opposition". Knowing what it is and how to use it will put a lot of endgames into your win column and change a few lost endgames into draws for you.