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  1. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    05 Jan '09 13:45
    At this game I decided to play the Jaenisch gambit against a 2000ish player because that's what I normally play against the Ruy Lopez, and because even though it is a quite tactical opening I thought that on a more positional game I'd certainly get squashed so why not try my best.

    After 14. .... Bg4! my evaluation was that I had the best position, and so I was getting the upper hand against a much stronger opposition; but at the end position I didn't like my chances that much. Anyway today I just found out that the guy mass resigned his games and so I got the win after all, but what matters most to me is that for some time I was better against a good player while playing black in a very tactical opening.

    Evaluations from stronger players are welcomed!

  2. 05 Jan '09 13:56
    Did you consider 15. ... Rxf3 at all? I don't know if it works, but it's the move I'd want to play in that position!
  3. 06 Jan '09 08:42
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Did you consider 15. ... Rxf3 at all? I don't know if it works, but it's the move I'd want to play in that position!
    15. ... Rxf3!
  4. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    06 Jan '09 10:46
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Did you consider 15. ... Rxf3 at all? I don't know if it works, but it's the move I'd want to play in that position!
    I looked into it and it looked like a good move. The problem is that I couldn't work out much from the positions that followed. It was too complicated for me. For one thing I just couldn't decide on what should be white's 16th move and the positioning of white's dark squared bishop looked problematic to me.

    But have you got any lines on mind after 15. ... Rxf3 ?
  5. 06 Jan '09 10:56 / 1 edit
    15.... Rxf3 16. gxf3 Bxf3 17. Qd2 cxd6... something like that?

    But maybe it's better for White not to take the rook and instead move with the bishop... maybe Bxc7.
  6. 06 Jan '09 11:01
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    15.... Rxf3 16. gxf3 Bxf3 17. Qd2 cxd6... something like that?
    after 15.... Rxf3 16. gxf3 Bxf3 17. Qd2 I think 17...Qg4+ 18 Bg3 Qh3 and white cannot escape from the mate...
  7. 06 Jan '09 11:03 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by vipiu
    after 15.... Rxf3 16. gxf3 Bxf3 17. Qd2 I think 17...Qg4+ 18 Bg3 Qh3 and white cannot escape from the mate...
    Good point, so White should definately not take the rook.

    But this leaves a discovered attack on the queen, not sure the bishop can get to safety then. Maybe a3, but that looks pretty awful for white.
  8. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    06 Jan '09 11:17
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    At this game I decided to play the Jaenisch gambit against a 2000ish player because that's what I normally play against the Ruy Lopez, and because even though it is a quite tactical opening I thought that on a more positional game I'd certainly get squashed so why not try my best.

    After 14. .... Bg4! my evaluation was that I had the best position, an ...[text shortened]... d6 17. Re1e3 Rf8f4 18. Qd1e2 Ra8f8 19. Ra1e1 Rf4xf3 0-1


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    Haven't analysed this very much, but at a glance ..Rh4 instead of ..Rxf3 at the end looks pretty good.
  9. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    06 Jan '09 17:07
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    Haven't analysed this very much, but at a glance ..Rh4 instead of ..Rxf3 at the end looks pretty good.
    But what do you do after 20. f4
    This seems to me to be a good try for white
  10. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    06 Jan '09 17:09
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Did you consider 15. ... Rxf3 at all? I don't know if it works, but it's the move I'd want to play in that position!
    16. c3 and the discovered attack on the queen seems to lose some gas due to the queen check.