PAWN RIOT VS The Forum Move 9

I think it's time to play 9...Bd7.

Originally posted by !~TONY~!
I think it's time to play 9...Bd7.

agreed Bd7

Do you know WHY the knight goes to the rim in the two knights defense or do you just follow the book?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it has to do with attacking one of those tall pawn thingies that can only move diagonally.😛


By the way, I think we have more than 75% of the first 20 votes for Bd7.

9...Bd7
If it was good enough for Tony Miles it should just about be ok for us.

Originally posted by Eladar
[b]Do you know WHY the knight goes to the rim in the two knights defense or do you just follow the book?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it has to do with attacking one of those tall pawn thingies that can only move diagonally.😛


By the way, I think we have more than 75% of the first 20 votes for Bd7.[/b]

If that was the only reason then surely the same would hold in this position correct?

So 9...Bd7 is the move.

We're going to follow the book right into a loss.

Hi Guys.

I really think you should now set up a club so Pawn Riot cannot
see your comments and what you are up to.

Still post a FEN after every White move so rest of board can see
what is happening.

You are entering one of the most heavily analysed variaitions in the
history of chess theory. There are more books on the Dragon than
any other opening. From here theory can go on for another 12 moves
at least. I hope one of you has an up to date book.

Good Luck.

9... bd7

Tomtom,

The difference is that this is a different board. The bishop in question isn't as big an immediate threat on this board compared to the two knights.

Originally posted by Eladar
Tomtom,

The difference is that this is a different board. The bishop in question isn't as big an immediate threat on this board compared to the two knights.

I don't believe there is any immediate tactical threat by the bishop in the two knights defense and I think you will find that the bishop being allowed to stay on the a2-g8 diagonal will be a big thorn in Black's side in the sicilian which is why a lot of people prefer the najdorf so that they can safely play b5 and gain tempo.

You're probably right about the twon knight's defense. I just see one the way Davies is instructing me to play it. But hey, I suck.

Originally posted by tomtom232
I don't believe there is any immediate tactical threat by the bishop in the two knights defense and I think you will find that the bishop being allowed to stay on the a2-g8 diagonal will be a big thorn in Black's side in the sicilian which is why a lot of people prefer the najdorf so that they can safely play b5 and gain tempo.

This is a bit of a misunderstanding in my opinion. Statements like, "Now we're following the book straight in to a loss" and ".....which is why a lot of people play the Najdorf so they can safely play b5 and gain tempo." show that you know very little more than the person you're antagonizing.

1. 9...Bd7 is almost certainly the best move. Don't get salty because people didn't want to play some weird offbeat ...Na5 move. Surprised? This move has been played and tested OTB for over half a century and is still going strong.

2. People play the Najdorf (...a6) because it prepares ...e5 without allowing anything to stop on the b5 square. Only in the Sozin does ...b5 gain a tempo, and even then, the bishop lands safely on b3 anyway.

3. You'll find that in the main line Black often plays ...Nc4, or even ...a5-a4, harassing the bishop.

I don't want to pull the "I know more than you!" card, but I'm going to here, because I almost certainly know more than you about the Dragon. 9...Bd7 is best, and it deserves to be played.

Originally posted by !~TONY~!
This is a bit of a misunderstanding in my opinion. Statements like, "Now we're following the book straight in to a loss" and ".....which is why a lot of people play the Najdorf so they can safely play b5 and gain tempo." show that you know very little more than the person you're antagonizing.

1. 9...Bd7 is almost certainly the best move. Don't get salty know more than you about the Dragon. 9...Bd7 is best, and it deserves to be played.

I didn't say that following the book is a loss I made a statement that was sarcastic and meant that against a player like pawn riot who definitely is better than the lot of us will probably beat us either way but following the book almost certainly guarantees it. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, the bishop goes to c4 in the sozin which makes my statement valid since the bishop on c4 is an integral part of the discussion!

And saying that you certainly know more about a move that you have never played shows how much of a know-it-all you are and I would happily play you in ANY line of the sicilian just to show you how wrong you are by saying you "almost certainly know more" than I do about it.

I have no qualms with the move itself just the reasons we are playing it for. this is supposed to be a learning experience for everybody and just shouting out, "play this because the book tells you to!" without giving any reasons "almost certainly" does nothing to teach anybody. I also only had a problem with the principle "a knight on the rim is grim."

Finally, I wasn't antagonizing him and I explained to him myself that I didn't mean to come off as insulting if I had. I don't care what you guys decide to vote on as long as you aren't arrogantly proclaiming that you know everything and that one move is the only move to play. Crap like that will prompt weaker players to have a closed mind, they will think they can win every game because they know the "best" moves and it will be a detriment to their progress.


Think next time before you decide to say somebody doesn't know anything Mr. Mod.

I would also like to point out that 9...Na5 isn't just to "harass" the bishop. The point is to get the bishop off the a2-g8 diagonal so as to be able to play ...d5.

well i would play Ne5 at this point...

In order to beat someone with experience, go for something they won't have seen 100 times before:

9... Qa5