13 Aug 04
I just now played this game on uchess...
It was a thirty minute game and I survived, and won on timeout
even tho I made a huge misstake on move 10 loosing my queen...
Can any one please comment on why I wasnt smashed..
Serious misstakes on whites account?
Good moves on my account?
I found this game very intresting.
[Event uChess rated]
[Site www.uchess.com]
[Date 2004.8.13]
[Round ?]
[White xxxxxxxxxx]
[Black chasparos]
[Result -1]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. d2-d3 Nb8-c6 3. c2-c3 Ng8-f6 4. d3-d4 b7-b6 5. Ng1-f3 Bc8-b7 6. d4xe5 Nf6xe4 7. Bc1-e3 d7-d5 8. Be3-d4 Nc6xd4 9. c3xd4 Bf8-b4 10. Nb1-d2 Qd8-f6 11. e5xf6 g7xf6 12. Qd1-a4 c7-c6 13. Qa4xb4 O-O-O 14. Qb4-a4 a7-a5 15. b2-b4 Ne4-c3 16. Qa4-c2 Rh8-e8 17. Bf1-e2 Nc3xe2 18. Qc2-f5 Kc8-b8 19. Ke1-f1 Rd8-d6 20. Qf5-g4 Bb7-c8 21. Qg4-g7 Bc8-f5 22. Ra1-e1 Rd6-e6 23. Nf3-g1 Ne2xd4 24. Re1-c1 Bf5-d3 25. Ng1-e2 Bd3xe2 26. Kf1-g1 Be2-d3 27. Qg7-g3 Re6-e5 28. Qg3xd3 Nd4-e2 29. Kg1-f1 Ne2xc1 30. Qd3-g3 Nc1-d3 31. f2-f3 f6-f5 0-1
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by chasparosAfter 13.Qxb4 you are down a knight and a queen and your kingside pawns are shattered.All you have in return is 1 pawn and you can put a rook on the open e-file.White's only 'problem' is that his king is still on that open e-file.If white plays 14.Be2 15.0-0 or 14.0-0-0 or Nxe4 black can't even dream of ever getting counterplay and the material advantage will decide the game in white's favor.
[b]I just now played this game on uchess...
It was a thirty minute game and I survived, and won on timeout
even tho I made a huge misstake on move 10 loosing my queen...
Can any one please comment on why I wasnt smashed..
Serious misstakes on whites account?
Good moves on my account?
I found this game very intresting.
[Event uChess rated]
[Site www.uchess.com]
[Date 2004.8.13]
[Round ?]
[White xxxxxxxxxx]
[Black chasparos]
[Result
So,you won because white played very bad.Or you could say you played so well that it became too difficult for white :-}
In the final position however,I think you have it won.I see no other way for white to prevent mate than to give up the knight with 32.Ne4 after which black should win,IMO.
Sir Lot.
13 Aug 04
Yes.. that seems like a fair assessment..
15. b4, seems to be where white lost his tempo..
Ironic thogh that the e-file, opened by me throwing away
my queen came to be his downfall...
Poetic justice..
Thank U for taking the time to help out a lesser player.
btw.. I think I'll consider it like I played his misstakes very well ;-)
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotBlack will probably win, but instead of playing Ne3, white can try Kg1. It will take careful play by black to win, and not to draw or even lose.
After 13.Qxb4 you are down a knight and a queen and your kingside pawns are shattered.All you have in return is 1 pawn and you can put a rook on the open e-file.White's only 'problem' is that his king is still on that open e-file.If white plays 14.Be2 15.0-0 or 14.0-0-0 or Nxe4 black can't even dream of ever getting counterplay and the material adva ...[text shortened]... vent mate than to give up the knight with 32.Ne4 after which black should win,IMO.
Sir Lot.
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by chasparosthe idea behind Kg1 is also to free square f1 for the knight.
Thats an intressting idea....
Kg1 Nc1 ...
threatens Ne2 forking K&Q
Continued
Kf2 f4
Qh4 Nd3+
Kg1
From here on out I would have been crushed?!
Anyone able to see an alternative?
32. ... Nc1 is not good, I think. I see white win after 33.Qh4 and then if axb4 then Qxb4 or if Re1+ then Nf1 and probably later h3 to free the king and the rook.
Better for black would be 32.Kg1 f4! 33.Qh4 Re2! 34.Nf1 Ne1! and white is in trouble. But I don't see a clear winning path yet. And it remains tricky.
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by Mephisto2Yeah,free the f1 square for the knight,I missed that.Well spotted.
the idea behind Kg1 is also to free square f1 for the knight.
32. ... Nc1 is not good, I think. I see white win after 33.Qh4 and then if axb4 then Qxb4 or if Re1+ then Nf1 and probably later h3 to free the king and the rook.
Better for black would be 32.Kg1 f4! 33.Qh4 Re2! 34.Nf1 Ne1! and white is in trouble. But I don't see a clear winning path yet. And it remains tricky.
But in your line,wouldn't an immediate 33....,Re1+ be better?Black then has an extra move and can play 34...,axb4 after which those queenside pawns look quite unstopable as white has not a single piece available yet.
What do you think?
Sir Lot.
13 Aug 04
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Originally posted by SirLoseALotI would say that both Re2 and Re1+ give winning chances, but none of them is easy to do. Just look at this line, and perhaps you can improve on it:
Yeah,free the f1 square for the knight,I missed that.Well spotted.
But in your line,wouldn't an immediate 33....,Re1+ be better?Black then has an extra move and can play 34...,axb4 after which those queenside pawns look quite unstopab ...[text shortened]... not a single piece available yet.
What do you think?
Sir Lot.
32.Kg1 f4 33.Qh4 Re1+ 34.Nf1 axb4 35.h3 Kb7 (Ka7 or Kc7 or perhaps Ra1) 36.Qxh7 Rxf1 37.Kh2 (not Kxf1 Re1 checkmate) Rxh1+ 38.Kxh1 Re1+ 39.Kh2 Ne5 (the knight is attacked by the queen) 40.Qc2 and black is still better, but far from a walkover.
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by Mephisto2Your line looks fine to me.Though I don't see the point of 35...,Kb7.I think 35...,Ra1 with the threats of creating 4 passed pawns and putting both rooks on the 1st rank would be stronger.Still,it won't be easy.Certainly no walkover.
I would say that both Re2 and Re1+ give winning chances, but none of them is easy to do. Just look at this line, and perhaps you can improve on it:
32.Kg1 f4 33.Qh4 Re1+ 34.Nf1 axb4 35.h3 Kb7 (Ka7 or Kc7 or perhaps Ra1) 36.Qxh7 Rxf1 37.Kh2 (not Kxf1 Re1 checkmate) Rxh1+ 38.Kxh1 Re1+ 39.Kh2 Ne5 (the knight is attacked by the queen) 40.Qc2 and black is still better, but far from a walkover.
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotI can see Ra1 instead of a king move, but I fail to see the improved continuation. After Ra1, white plays 36.Qxh7 and to my judgment, black has nothing better than to take the knight, with a similar line as I gave before (except the king is still on b8). Your suggestion to put both rooks on the first rank is made difficult because the queen on h7 attacks the knight on d3. Example 33. ... Ree1? 34.Qxd3 Rxf1+ 35.Qxf1! Rxf1+ Kxf1 and white will win. Or am I mistaken?
Your line looks fine to me.Though I don't see the point of 35...,Kb7.I think 35...,Ra1 with the threats of creating 4 passed pawns and putting both rooks on the 1st rank would be stronger.Still,it won't be easy.Certainly no walkover.
13 Aug 04
Originally posted by Mephisto2Hmm,no,I was thinking 33....,Nc5 but it's too slow.Your line's better.
I can see Ra1 instead of a king move, but I fail to see the improved continuation. After Ra1, white plays 36.Qxh7 and to my judgment, black has nothing better than to take the knight, with a similar line as I gave before (except the king is still on b8). Your suggestion to put both rooks on the first rank is made difficult because the queen on h7 attacks t ...[text shortened]... 3. Example 33. ... Ree1? 34.Qxd3 Rxf1+ 35.Qxf1! Rxf1+ Kxf1 and white will win. Or am I mistaken?