Originally posted by Mephisto2Giving up the b pawn is not necessary. This pawn can be queened easily because black has no stalemate defense with the black king on b8 the white pawn on b7 and the white king on b6 unless he sacs his kside pawns by ...h4 ...g5.
1. Kb2 is the only right first move. Advancing the b-pawn is ok but without moving the king to win the two other pawns there is no win. It is less important at which stage the king moves away and gives up the b-pawn, but it is necessary.
Originally posted by iChopWoodForFreeI think what Data Fly is getting at is that white can't guarantee victory if he leaves the kingside pawns alone. Suppose this position is reached:
Giving up the b pawn is not necessary. This pawn can be queened easily because black has no stalemate defense with the black king on b8 the white pawn on b7 and the white king on b6 unless he sacs his kside pawns by ...h4 ...g5.
The only way would be if you let your king on b6 after he has already played ...h4. Then it would draw.
Originally posted by Data FlyWhite wins by queening a pawn no matter what not necessarily the b pawn. My point was that white can walk his king and pawn up the board not that he has to queen the b pawn. You can play many moves and win after 1.Kb2. I dont know whats hard to understand about that. The point is that anyone with rudimentary king and pawn endgames under their belt can see pretty much immediately that 1.Kb2 will allow them to walk their king and pawn up the board which must win. Why even calculate trying to grab the kside pawns right away?
Can you show a line where you think White wins by queening the b-pawn? Start with the moves 1.Kb2 h4.
[fen]8/8/8/8/1k4pp/1P6/1K3P1P/8 b - - 0 1[/fen]
Originally posted by iChopWoodForFreeNothing over there is as entertaining as watching you make a complete arse of yourself.
Why do you even post? In my time here i have yet to see you post anything but unconstructive, inflammatory drivel. Go to chess.com, you'll fit right in over there.
Originally posted by iChopWoodForFreeI don't thing the less-than-obvious need to win a tempo is trivial. The problem teaches a valuable lesson, because a good number of average players would just go straight to the kingside pawns and draw a won game.
By Ray Cheng.
Do not purchase this book. Complete rubbish.
white to move.
The fourth problem in the book. The plan he gives as the solution is to run over amd grab blacks pawns after gaining a tempo by playing 1.Kb2. Indeed the correct first move but this is a trivial king and pawn ending where white ...[text shortened]... e board and easily win.
Basically just a worthless problem as many variations win after 1.Kb2
Originally posted by Paul LeggettHe reminds me of woadman. Every time he posts, it's always "Look at me and how much I know about Chess!!" like he's desperate for people to notice.
I don't thing the less-than-obvious need to win a tempo is trivial. The problem teaches a valuable lesson, because a good number of average players would just go straight to the kingside pawns and draw a won game.
Kb2 is the only move, and understanding why is a valuable and practical lesson for players. I really think you have done an injustice to the author.