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  1. 08 Jan '10 12:31
    Perhaps what we need is a ProAm list somewhere (outside of RHP) so that people can know who the "professional amateurs" playing on casual correspondence sites. Their match-ups to engines and known OTB rankings could also be attached. Every stat would tell a tale i.e

    1. Joe Schmo
    CC 2530
    Fritz Matchup 92%
    OTB 1500
    ICC 1300

    2. AN Other
    CC 1600
    Fritz Matchup 29%
    OTB 1800
    ICC 1700
  2. 08 Jan '10 13:57
    I think this idea is brill!! In the comments section we could have "was losing to 1300s 15months ago".
  3. 08 Jan '10 14:02
    Best to just keep your own personal black list of players you think are cheats. That's what I used to do when I played on here. I still got caught out every now and then, and sometimes there was no choice if it was a league match, but it helped me avoid wasting too much time trying to beat a disguised Fritz.
  4. Standard member atticus2
    Frustrate the Bad
    08 Jan '10 21:05
    Trouble with FL's approach is that, by eliminating all assumed engine-users from your play-pool, you radically reduce the number of players that can beat you.

    I've taken this route for a while, resigning immediately to 'known' engine-users. Snag is, my rating continues to drift up beyond where it normally might lie - because the normal play-pool in here isn't that strong, and by avoiding the engines, one removes the 'natural' dampening effect of losses to better players; hence, exacerbating upwards drift.
  5. 08 Jan '10 21:19
    I find it ironic, to know you cheated and that did not even help you to win, you still lose, even with fritz to help you.....


    that is why, i won't resign with cheats and try my best to beat them....

    man, how strange will it be if I win....
  6. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    08 Jan '10 22:23
    Originally posted by atticus2
    Trouble with FL's approach is that, by eliminating all assumed engine-users from your play-pool, you radically reduce the number of players that can beat you.

    I've taken this route for a while, resigning immediately to 'known' engine-users. Snag is, my rating continues to drift up beyond where it normally might lie - because the normal play-pool in here ...[text shortened]... natural' dampening effect of losses to better players; hence, exacerbating upwards drift.
    I have the same issue from the opposite end of the spectrum- I will play anyone, I don't know how I would recognize a computer without using one myself, and I'm not too worried about it.

    The net result is that my average opponent is some 200-300 points below me, and I have accumulated lots of points in small increments via wins against lower rated players. My RHP rating is about 30 points over my peak USCF OTB rating, and a good 150 points over my current OTB rating, and I think "drift" is the culprit- although there is certainly something to be said for having books to reference!

    I also wonder if the engine use issue is more of a "clan challenge/tournament" issue, as at least there one could rationalize a motive. I don't get why someone would reduce themselves to a data entry role without some kind of reward-based outcome.

    Paul
  7. 08 Jan '10 23:30
    Originally posted by AudreyxSophie
    I find it ironic, to know you cheated and that did not even help you to win, you still lose, even with fritz to help you.....
    Who cheated? "you"?