14 Aug 11
I understand the QG is not really a true gambit, as white generally recovers the pawn if taken. Check out these six RHP games below where black makes an effort to keep the QG "gambit" pawn. It seems futile in a certain ways, but I would like to keep the gambit pawn as black.
Game 1. Without white a4. Black keeps the gambit pawn. 0-1
White 1683
Black 2035
Game 7878577
Game 2. With white a4. Black keeps the gambit pawn. 0-1.
White --was about 1950
Black --2035
Game 8065216
Game 3. With white a4, and ugly for black. 1-0.
White 2031
Black 2035
Game 8449278
Game 4. With white a4. 1-0.
White 2300
Black 2035
Game 8327950
Game 5. With white a4. Black tries in vain to keep gambit pawn. 1-0.
White 2245
Black 2035
Game 8067645
Game 6. Without white a4. Black keeps the gambit pawn but loses the exchange. 1-0.
White 2073
Black 2035
Game 7960231
15 Aug 11
That reminds me, last Summer on a flight to Europe the airline had Kasparov Chessmate as an inflight entertainment option. IDK if the computer running it was incredibly old, but at max rating I picked up several wins in QG games where the computer took the pawn and created positional suicide trying to keep it at all costs.
16 Aug 11
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Originally posted by nimzo5That's funny. Likewise, I have kind of become obsessed with keeping the gambit pawn as black against the QG, at all costs including a loss.
That reminds me, last Summer on a flight to Europe the airline had Kasparov Chessmate as an inflight entertainment option. IDK if the computer running it was incredibly old, but at max rating I picked up several wins in QG games where the computer took the pawn and created positional suicide trying to keep it at all costs.
I am not an opening technician but just mainly follow a games database or the MCO. Yet, I know it is futile to keep the QG "gambit" pawn unless white allows it.
I am trying to change. Continue to do c6 (the slav/semi-slav) with dxc4 at some point, but only try to "sneak" keeping the gambit pawn if the opportunity presents itself, and not at all costs.
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by moon1969Without checking my notes, it's my impression that it is pretty much futile to try to keep the pawn in the traditional QGA setup.
That's funny. Likewise, I have kind of become obsessed with keeping the gambit pawn as black against the QG, at all costs including a loss.
I am not an opening technician but just mainly follow a games database or the MCO. Yet, I know it is futile to keep the QG "gambit" pawn unless white allows it.
I am trying to change. Continue to do c6 (the sl ...[text shortened]... o "sneak" keeping the gambit pawn if the opportunity presents itself, and not at all costs.
16 Aug 11
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Originally posted by nimzo5I really think that is true with the QGA. I am just thinking to use the nuance of c6 (then at some point fairly quickly before white e3 or e4 take the c4 gambit pawn followed by me doing b5) to surprise keep the gambit pawn in a brief delayed acceptance of the QG gambit pawn, especially where white may not be that familiar with the slav or doing a4 or doesn't care about recovering the gambit pawn.
Without checking my notes, it's my impression that it is pretty much futile to try to keep the pawn in the traditional QGA setup.