RHP ratings are very similar to other online rating systems. I reckon from the real life players I know they equate to roughly the following:
-1000 = beginner
1000-1200 = weak casual player
1200-1400 = average casual player
1400-1700 = intermediate (average club player)
1700-1900 = higher intermediate (good club player)
1900-2100 = strong club player
2100-2200 = very strong club player
2200+ = Fritz (probably 50% or more of the time)
Truth is, strong players in the real world wouldn't waste their time playing here. They know for a fact that they will play against cheats most of the time in banded tourneys & so would get more preparing for their next OTB tournament by studying Fritz-generated lines in isolation.
Originally posted by kaminskyAs discussed in other posts, there are many reasons why the ratings here can't be accurately compared to those anywhere else.
tx, what does a rating of 1200 mean, is it a beginners rating ?
However, once you get an established RHP rating you can at least see where you rank among the other players here by looking at the Player Tables (all 642 pages of them!) from the link at the top of the screen, or by going to:
http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/playertable.php
The last time I looked through these tables, the median rating here was 1307, if that's of any help.
Originally posted by SquelchbelchSo the,say,top 100 on here are not really strong (and thus cheats because their games here sure are of good quality,imo) or aliens?
Truth is, strong players in the real world wouldn't waste their time playing here. They know for a fact that they will play against cheats most of the time in banded tourneys & so would get more preparing for their next OTB tournament by studying Fritz-generated lines in isolation.
Or is it your view only GM's,and maybe IM's,deserve the qualification of 'strong player'?
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Originally posted by RomanticusI'd say half of the first 2 pages of the player tables probably regularly use "help", yes.
So the,say,top 100 on here are not really strong (and thus cheats because their games here sure are of good quality,imo) or aliens?
Or is it your view only GM's,and maybe IM's,deserve the qualification of 'strong player'?
I'm in a better position than you to know this.
We have at least 1 FM playing on this site, plus some bogus GM's. The FIDE Master has a similar rating on RHP to that of his OTB FIDE rating.
There are a distinct lack of truly strong players here for the reasons I gave above. This is why I reckon that the RHP rating of 2200+ = Fritz 50% of the time is about right.
Many GM's participate in non-playing chess related sites.
For instance, go to wwwchesspub.com & ask GM Kosten why he doesn't want to play at RHP.
I bet I know what his reply will be...
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Originally posted by kaminskyYes Fritz, Rybka, CM & so on will virtually always beat human opposition if the engine is left for any reasonable amount of time to analyse each move.
how good are these chess programs, will they beat anyone
Of course sometimes a genuinely strong player can outplay a strong engine, typically in quiet positions where tactics & brute force calculations are less important than strategic planning & small incremental positional advantages. Occaisionally engines miss sacrificial attacks & things like sacing the exchange for a strategic advantage.
Fritz + patzer vs Fritz + strong CC player will mostly mean that the strong player who also uses an engine will win.
There is a 'famous' case of this happening on this very site. A player here often beats players later banned for engine use & is yet to lose a single game against them.
That type of player is called a Centaur.