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What is the best refutation of

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Ne4?

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Stare at the knight for several minutes with a pained expression, then ask contemptuously, " have you ever played chess before?"

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Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
What is the best refutation of

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Ne4?
Black is gonna die! After 3.d4! f6 4.Bd3 d5 5.f3! Ng56.Bxg5 fxg5 7.f4! (Black's position is a disgusting mess) 7...g6! (the only try).

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Originally posted by gumbie
... 5.f3!...
Gumbie may well be right, but as I read this I remembered what Steelydan said in another thread:

anyone who moves his/her f pawn to f3 on move 2 really doesn't know what's going on from the start, I believe. I had an IM tell me that's perhaps the worst move on the chessboard before move 10!

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Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
What is the best refutation of

1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Ne4?
why not just play the alekhine:
1. e4-Nf6
2. e5-Nd5

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Originally posted by tejo
why not just play the alekhine:
1. e4-Nf6
2. e5-Nd5
And what if your opponent has never heard of the Alekhine?

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Originally posted by gumbie
Black is gonna die! After 3.d4! f6 4.Bd3 d5 5.f3! Ng56.Bxg5 fxg5 7.f4! (Black's position is a disgusting mess) 7...g6! (the only try).
It's not my opinion I was quoting chessmaster 10!

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Originally posted by gumbie
It's not my opinion I was quoting chessmaster 10!
Most bots opt for

3. d3 Nc5
4. d4 Nca6

After
3. d4 Black may also play 3...e6 or even 3...h6

My database has 120 games with this 2. Ne4 move.

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Originally posted by Paul Dirac
Gumbie may well be right, but as I read this I remembered what Steelydan said in another thread:

anyone who moves his/her f pawn to f3 on move 2 really doesn't know what's going on from the start, I believe. I had an IM tell me t ...[text shortened]... at's perhaps the worst move on the chessboard before move 10!
I thought f3 was fine given the position but I didn't like f6, Qa5+ enters the picture. But after 3. d4 white has both bishops available and black's Ne4 is stuck. So I think chessmaster chose f6 so d5 could be used to support the knight. How about using the (very short amount of) time to build a center counter-attack instead.

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Ne4? 3. d4! d6?! 4. Bd3 dxe5 (4. exd6 Nxd6 ==, using f6, fxe5 leads to Qa5+)

line 1: 5. Bxe4 exd4 {and atleast black has some say in the opening}
line 2: 5. dxe5 {c5 is freed } Nc5 {probably equal}

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Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
My database has 120 games with this 2. Ne4 move.
In how many black draw or win?

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Originally posted by egsmith
In how many did black draw or win?

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Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
And what if your opponent has never heard of the Alekhine?
sorry, I misunderstood you. My english sometimes fails on me. I would go for d4. However d3 is also a good possibility.
d4 will probably result in e6 or f6, which is both pretty okay for white.

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I like 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.b4!?

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Originally posted by IronMan31
I like 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.b4!?
That is an astonishing idea and one I have never seen before , even though I often play 1.... Nf6. I assume the proof will be if Black can take and keep the pawn, something I would be frightened to do against a surpreme player like you, I fear the loss of tempi and the extra diagonals for the QB would give white many attacking avenues, so I would look at either e6, d6, or maybe c5 or even a5, ooh I don't know b4 is certainly interesting
:-)

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If you don't mind me asking what are the plans after ...Nxb4 ? Do you force the Knight away with a3 or c3 or seize the centre with d4? It seems an amazing concept and one I can't find in my (large) database.