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  1. 07 Sep '13 20:41 / 4 edits
    1. f3......any
    2. King f2.......and black assumes they are playing a moron.

    I have a surprising number of wins with it, like this short 22 move game:

    http://www.timeforchess.com/core/playchess.php?gameid=10199297&cbqsid=27973

    Probably because the opponent gets over confident.
  2. 08 Sep '13 01:02
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    [b]1. f3......any
    2. King f2.......and black assumes they are playing a moron.
    black is
  3. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    08 Sep '13 01:12
  4. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    08 Sep '13 03:56
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    1. f3......any
    2. King f2.......and black assumes they are playing a moron.

    I have a surprising number of wins with it, like this short 22 move game:

    http://www.timeforchess.com/core/playchess.php?gameid=10199297&cbqsid=27973

    Probably because the opponent gets over confident.
    Yes, it is the psychological aspect of chess.

    The Instructor
  5. 08 Sep '13 04:24
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes, it is the psychological aspect of chess.

    The Instructor
    Actually, the Hammerschlag has a surprisingly good win percentage for white. It is actually tactically sound, but it must not be played unless you know what you are doing.
  6. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    08 Sep '13 12:24
    Originally posted by Tygert
    Actually, the Hammerschlag has a surprisingly good win percentage for white. It is actually tactically sound, but it must not be played unless you know what you are doing.
    We always called it the Fox attack, when black plays f6,Kf7 we called it the Fox Defense. I forgot the Hammerschlag tag. Thanks for the refresher. 🙂
  7. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    08 Sep '13 13:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Yes, it is the psychological aspect of chess.
    As with some other off-beat openings, such as 1. b4, if Black tries to bowl it over with a quick knockout, he may over-reach himself and get into trouble. I sometimes try such openings against players rated lower than myself, but I wouldn't risk it against one 100+ higher.
  8. 08 Sep '13 13:48
    Originally posted by moonbus
    As with some other off-beat openings, such as 1. b4, if Black tries to bowl it over with a quick knockout, he may over-reach himself and get into trouble. I sometimes try such openings against players rated lower than myself, but I wouldn't risk it against one 100+ higher.
    If you have the first 6 moves in mind and play instantly it works well in 5 minute games, the opponent spends a minute going "huh?"
    By then you have a rock solid defensive position set up and are a minute ahead.
    I do it all the time.
  9. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    08 Sep '13 15:10
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    If you have the first 6 moves in mind and play instantly it works well in 5 minute games, the opponent spends a minute going "huh?"
    By then you have a rock solid defensive position set up and are a minute ahead.
    I do it all the time.
    This opening has been around for a long time. I learned of it from a guy rated about 1900 when I was in tech school in Denver, Lowry air force base and found the chess club in Denver and he called it 'the fox'. Of course I was to new to chess to be able to figure out how to win against it.
  10. 08 Sep '13 16:52 / 3 edits
    The Hammerschlag is pretty good. You should try giving the Fred defense a try.



    Now the king is safe and you can develop your pieces by getting hits on the queen. The development lead and open lines can lead to some spectacular attacks for black.
  11. 08 Sep '13 17:21
    Originally posted by KnightStalker47
    The Hammerschlag is pretty good. You should try giving the Fred defense a try.

    [pgn] 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 3. Qh5+ g6 4. fxg6 Kg7 5. gxh7 Rxh7 6. Qg5+ Kh8 [/pgn]

    Now the king is safe and you can develop your pieces by getting hits on the queen. The development lead and open lines can lead to some spectacular attacks for black.
    wow The Fred does look bad I'm gonna play it
  12. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    08 Sep '13 19:28
    If you consider this safe for Black, I would be happy to play it out as White.





  13. 08 Sep '13 19:36
    Originally posted by moonbus
    If you consider this safe for Black, I would be happy to play it out as White.

    [pgn][Event "?"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "????.??.??"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "?"]
    [Black "?"]
    [Result "*"]

    1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 3. Qh5+ g6 4. fxg6+ Kg7 5. gxh7 Rxh7 6. Qg5+ Kh8 7. Bd3 Rf7 8. Qh5+ Kg7 9. b3 *[/pgn]



    [pgn][Event "?"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "????.??.??"]
    [Round ...[text shortened]... 6+ Kg7 5. gxh7 Rxh7 6. Qg5+ Kh8 7. Bd3 Rf7 8. Qh5+ Nh6 9. g4 *[/pgn]
    OK you take white I'll take The Fred to move 6 just for teh lulz.
    Issue the challenge.
  14. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    08 Sep '13 20:36
    Originally posted by KilgoreTrout15
    OK you take white I'll take The Fred to move 6 just for teh lulz.
    Issue the challenge.
    You're on! Unfortunately 1) you are already at your max of 6 concurrent games with non-subs. and 2) I'll be away from Internet access for 3 weeks starting 18 Sept. If you are willing to up your max and accept a 21-day delay in the middle, I'm game to test the opening.

    Cheers,
    Moonbus
  15. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    09 Sep '13 09:11
    Kilgore: I appreciate that I have a rating advantage here, so, to make it slightly more of level playing field, I promise to play like Richard Teichmann (with one eye).