Ruy Lopez

lausey

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08 Sep 04 01:04

lausey

Milton Keynes, UK

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08 Sep 04 01:04

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6

What is generally better for Black and why? 5. ..bxc6 or 5. ..dxc6?

This is NOT a game in progress. I thought that it would be better to take with the b pawn because it would allow for the bishop to go to b7 for the long diagonal, but I do notice that some people do take with the d pawn. Does it really matter?

Cheers, Lau

buddy2

Hainesport, NJ, USA

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08 Sep 04 01:22

Yea, taking with the b pawn loses the e pawn to the knight. Taking with the d pawn allows queen to protect all. Although, there's probably a line where black takes with b pawn. There are always "lines," no matter how bad.

TimmyToilet

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08 Sep 04 01:30

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Originally posted by lausey

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6

What is generally better for Black and why? 5. ..bxc6 or 5. ..dxc6?

This is NOT a game in progress. I thought that it would be better to take with the b pawn because it would allow for the ...[text shortened]... e do take with the d pawn. Does it really matter?

Cheers, Lau

Taking with the d pawn is much better. 5. Nxe5 is not possible due to the fork 5...Qd4. I personally hate the ruy lopez exchange when I am black and never do it when I am white.

-Tim

no1marauder

Naturally Right

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08 Sep 04 01:33

Originally posted by buddy2
Yea, taking with the b pawn loses the e pawn to the knight. Taking with the d pawn allows queen to protect all. Although, there's probably a line where black takes with b pawn. There are always "lines," no matter how bad.

Not really. If White plays 5 Nxe5 Qe7 6 d4 f6 7 Ng4 or f3 Qxe4+.
White's best line if bxc6 is 5 d4 exd4 6 Qxd4 where the Queen is centrally placed and White controls the center. dxc6 is recommended.

yamiyokaze

Shadow Realm

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08 Sep 04 05:15

Originally posted by lausey

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6

What is generally better for Black and why? 5. ..bxc6 or 5. ..dxc6?

This is NOT a game in progress. I thought that it would be better to take with the b pawn because it would allow for the bishop to go to b7 for the long diagonal, but I do notice that some people do take with the d pawn. Does it really matter?

Cheers, Lau

Book says 4...bxc6 has a higher percentage for Black and the average ELO of players is higher, but 4...dxc6 is more played. Taking a look at the position 4...dxc6 is the better one.

hypermo2001

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08 Sep 04 16:49

dxc6 is better in light of the inferior endgame coming out of bxc6 (i.e. 3 pawn islands instead of two)

AThousandYoung

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27 Sep 04 17:28

I don't know why taking with the D pawn is considered good, but I think Bobby Fischer won a World Championship with that line.

hypermo2001

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27 Sep 04 17:34

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I don't know why taking with the D pawn is considered good, but I think Bobby Fischer won a World Championship with that line.

the b pawn capture leaves a bad pawn structure (e.g. isolated pawn) that can make for an inferior endgame

Grayeyesofsorrow

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27 Sep 04 22:09

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I don't know why taking with the D pawn is considered good, but I think Bobby Fischer won a World Championship with that line.

http://www.chessplayer.com/multipice.htm

That could be the game, although im not sure 😛