Tonight I decided to start working through some KG lines - since up to this point I've played it almost entirely on principles. Here's a little bit of what Fritz, a DB, and myself came up with for some lines that I see quite often in practical play, comments, suggestions? I may be playing old/inferior lines since I don't have an up-to-date book, but I figure that the DB and my own knowledge of the lines with F9 checking lines shouldn't be playing anything too bad....
Cunningham
[Event "Blitz:1'"]
[Site "ha"]
[Date "2007.01.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "KGCunningham"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "C35"]
[Annotator "Johnson,Mike"]
[PlyCount "26"]
[TimeControl "60"]
{24MB, Book.ctg} 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Be7 4. Bc4 (4. Nc3 Bh4+
5. Ke2 c6 (5... d5 $1 6. Nxd5 Nf6 7. Nxf6+ Qxf6 8. d4 $17) 6. d4 d5 $11) 4...
Bh4+ 5. g3 (5. Kf1 d5 6. exd5) 5... fxg3 6. O-O gxh2+ 7. Kh1 d5 8. exd5 (8.
Bxd5 Nf6 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. Nxh4 Rf8) 8... Bg3 9. Qe2+ Ne7 10. Ng5 f6 11. Ne4
Be5 12. c3 h5 13. d4 Bg4 $11 *
Tchigorin
[Event "Blitz:1'"]
[Site "ha"]
[Date "2007.01.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "KGTchigorin"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "C34"]
[Annotator "Johnson,Mike"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[TimeControl "60"]
{24MB, Book.ctg} 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Bc5 (4... Nf6
5. O-O Nxe4 6. Re1 d5 7. Bxd5 Qxd5 8. Nc3 Qf5 9. Nxe4 (9. d4 Be6 10. Rxe4 g5
11. Ne5 Nb4) (9. d3 Be6 10. dxe4 Qc5+ 11. Kh1 Bd6 12. e5 Be7 13. Bxf4) 9... Be6
10. d4 O-O-O 11. c3 Be7 12. b4 g5 13. Qa4) 5. d4 Bb6 (5... Nxd4 6. Nxd4 Qh4+ 7.
Kf1 d6 8. c3 Nf6 9. Nd2 Ng4 10. Qe2 Ne3+ 11. Kg1 Bg4 12. Qf2) 6. Bxf4 *
Tolush
[Event "Blitz:1'"]
[Site "ha"]
[Date "2007.01.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "KGTolush"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "C34"]
[Annotator "Johnson,Mike"]
[PlyCount "25"]
[TimeControl "60"]
{24MB, Book.ctg} 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Ne7 4. Bc4 (4. d4 d5 5.
e5 $11 (5. Nc3 dxe4 6. Nxe4 Nd5 7. Bc4 $11)) 4... Ng6 5. Nc3 $14 Bb4 6. Nd5 Bd6
7. d4 c6 8. Nc3 O-O 9. O-O Bb4 10. Qd3 Bxc3 11. Qxc3 d5 12. Bd3 dxe4 13. Bxe4
$11 *
Schallopp
[Event "Blitz:1'"]
[Site "ha"]
[Date "2007.01.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "KGSchallopp"]
[Black "Fritz 9"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "C34"]
[Annotator "Johnson,Mike"]
[PlyCount "15"]
[TimeControl "60"]
{24MB, Book.ctg} 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e5 Ne4 (4... Nh5
5. d4 (5. Be2 d6 6. O-O dxe5 7. Nxe5 Qd4+ 8. Kh1 Nf6 9. Nf3 Qd8) (5. Qe2 Be7 6.
d4 O-O 7. g4 fxg3 8. Qg2 d6 9. hxg3 Bg4 10. Nh2) 5... d5 (5... Be7) (5... d6 6.
Qe2) 6. Bd3 Bg4 7. O-O c5 8. c4 cxd4 9. Qb3 Nd7 10. cxd5 Bxf3 11. Rxf3 Nxe5 12.
Qa4+ Nd7 13. Bf5 Bc5 14. Bxf4 g6 15. Bxd7+ Qxd7 16. Qc4 Nxf4 17. Rxf4) (4...
Nd5 5. c4 Nb6 6. d4 Be7 7. Be2 Bh4+ 8. Kf1 d5 9. exd6 cxd6 10. Bxf4 O-O $14) 5.
d4 (5. d3 Ng5 6. Bxf4 Ne6 (6... Nxf3+ 7. Qxf3 d6 8. Qg3 $11 (8. Be2 Nc6 9. exd6
Bxd6 10. c3 O-O 11. O-O Qd7 12. Bxd6 Qxd6 13. Nd2 Ne5 14. Qg3 Qb6+ 15. d4 Qxb2
16. Qxe5 Qxd2 $16)) 7. Bg3 d5 8. Nc3 d4 9. Ne4 Nc6 10. Be2 Be7 11. O-O O-O $11
12. Qd2) 5... d5 6. Bxf4 c5 7. Nbd2 Nc6 8. Bd3 $14 *
Clearly this aren't blacks most principled responses, and a lot of the lines are still incomplete, but that's what I have after a half hour work so far - and I don't want to go to far before some other people check my lines for accuracy.
Originally posted by cmsMaster4...Nh5 is considered to be the main line in the Schallop. I don't think 4...Ne4 is very good, but that may just be down to the quality of players who've tried it against me.
Tonight I decided to start working through some KG lines - since up to this point I've played it almost entirely on principles. Here's a little bit of what Fritz, a DB, and myself came up with for some lines that I see quite often in practical play, comments, suggestions? I may be playing old/inferior lines since I don't have an up-to-date book, but I fi
Originally posted by Ian68Well the order I went in doesn't particularly have to with what the mainline is and isn't - Nh5 seemed to be the tougher response though.
4...Nh5 is considered to be the main line in the Schallop. I don't think 4...Ne4 is very good, but that may just be down to the quality of players who've tried it against me.
Although I rarely meet 1. e4 with 1..e5 I quite liked playin against the KG
I find the best line for black to be:
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 (2...Bc5 I believe is fine to) 3. Nf3 (the most common and I think the best) 3...g5!
where the line forks:
main moves are: 4. d4 , 4. 0-0 and 4. h4
I think many black players are havin a psychological problem against the KG: in most 1. e4 e5 openings black is able to castle short very soon or can at least find a line where he can.
And that makes people feel comfortable, but in the KG black has to be flexible and might refrain from castling at all (at least in a lot of critical lines) the only thing I truly fear in the KG is the Muzio Gambit:
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. 0-0 sacrificing a knight for a very strong attack (in my opinion) but black has a perfectely reliable alternative in 4... Bg7 so no reason for black players to refraon from meeting 1. e4 with 1 ...e5!
Originally posted by sannevssr3...g5 is the toughest response, but since there are so many lines that'll be the last I cover.
Although I rarely meet 1. e4 with 1..e5 I quite liked playin against the KG
I find the best line for black to be:
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 (2...Bc5 I believe is fine to) 3. Nf3 (the most common and I think the best) 3...g5!
where the line forks:
main moves are: 4. d4 , 4. 0-0 and 4. h4
I think many black players are havin a psychological problem agains ...[text shortened]... ternative in 4... Bg7 so no reason for black players to refraon from meeting 1. e4 with 1 ...e5!
No other comments from you guys?
I do not like playing against the King's Gambit because I often feel that when keeping the pawn white gets very good play in practice. And the declined variation is even worse.
So I started playing the following..
1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 exf4 4. Nf3 Qxd5 5. Nc3 Qe6+ 6. Be2 Bd6 7. O-O Ne7 8. d4 O-O
I think it gives a game where black has an OK position. I prefer a (rather) equal game to holding on to this pawn. Of course, there might be theory which is more "perfect" than this, but I think this one works good in practice. KG players usually wants to play against 2..exf4 so this also gives so psychological advantage and also (oftenly) gets them "out of the book".
Originally posted by GolubBefore I started to study declined KG line I though it bad too. But soon I discovered that 2...Bc5 is much better than its reputation.
I do not like playing against the King's Gambit because I often feel that when keeping the pawn white gets very good play in practice. And the declined variation is even worse.
Originally posted by KorchOh you mean in the declined hmm... Interesting. Well, I don't know the declined too well actually. Just looked at it briefly and dislike it. But well, what do you play after 3.Nf3?
It would be easier for me to ask you - which lines in your opinion gives white advantage in declined KG with 2...Bc5 ?