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Originally posted by max972302 knights vs pawn IS the hardest mate.Good luck finding someone who can teach you that one.Maybe ask Kramnik?
i figured out the double bishop tonight it was pretty easy. can someone teach me the hardest mate possible? also teach me bishop + knight and knight + knight vs pawn.
thanks
Check Game 728293 for an example of K+B+N vs K
With perfect play, Bishop+Knight against a bare King can be accomplished in a maximium of 33 moves(Oxford Chess Encyclopedia). With PERFECT PLAY. It's basically a draw for most people who will slip up and allow the 50 move draw. Two Knights against a pawn is even worse, FIDE has extended the 50 move rule to 100 in that case, but there are few people good enough to do it.
possibly the best method to learn something like this (which I'm going to try if I get the time) is to look up the basic process in a good endgame book (Fine's basic chess endings for example, or Sewarian's winning endgames book), then get an engine with a tablebase for the position and practice on it.
Originally posted by Dodger11In the knight+bishop mate,usually you can afford 1 slip,2 would be a bit much.It just takes a little understanding and practice.Driving the king to the edge,is not so difficult.Driving it to the mating corner is what causes the most problems,but if you know the key moves,it's not all that hard.
With perfect play, Bishop+Knight against a bare King can be accomplished in a maximium of 33 moves(Oxford Chess Encyclopedia). With PERFECT PLAY. It's basically a draw for most people who will slip up and allow the 50 move draw. Two Knights against a pawn is even worse, FIDE has extended the 50 move rule to 100 in that case, but there are few people good enough to do it.
Havng said that,I need to practise it more myself 😳
Originally posted by Dodger11It is only if you haven't seen it before. Otherwise it is easy to force the K to the back rank, and then you just need to remember the 'W' knight manoeuver and the process is pretty simple.
One or two slips doesn't mean you've only lost a couple moves, it means you've allowed the king to escape and you have to start all over again. It's very, very hard to force mate with a bishop and knight in under 50 moves.
Originally posted by Dodger112 slips is likely too much,yes.But 1 slip does not mean you have to start all over again.I practised this mate a lot on ICC,they have a trainingbot designed for this purpose.Usually,it would take me about 36 moves,from any position.If I slipped once,it would take me some 42-44 moves.
One or two slips doesn't mean you've only lost a couple moves, it means you've allowed the king to escape and you have to start all over again. It's very, very hard to force mate with a bishop and knight in under 50 moves.
Originally posted by Dodger11Bigger sigh....below I copied your statement.It is NOT valid.
Big sighhh.....one slip and it would take you 44 moves to mate. So a second slip (easy to do for a tyro) would easily take you way past 50 moves. Thanks for validating my first statement .
One or two slips doesn't mean you've only lost a couple moves, it means you've allowed the king to escape and you have to start all over again. It's very, very hard to force mate with a bishop and knight in under 50 moves.