Originally posted by arterioesi play it but i have not played it on this site yet. The main idee is to trade queens and then profit from your king that is very active in the centre.
1.e4 e5
2.Nc3 Nc6
3.f4 exf4
4.d4? Qh4+
5.Ke2
Has anyone played this opening here in rhp?If so could you please post the game link.Has anyone played this apart from the old man himself?
you really need to know some theory if you plan on playing it... otherwise you will probably not last to long😛
here's a game by the great chigorin who also played it
Chigorin,Mikhail - Solovtsov,AV
Moscow m Moscow, 1884
1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.d4 Qh4+ 5.Ke2 b6 6.Nb5 Ba6 7.a4 Nf6 8.Nf3 Qg4 9.e5 Nh5 10.Qd3 Kd8 11.Kd1 Nb4 12.Qe4 c6 13.c3 Nd5 14.c4 f5 15.Qe2 Ne3+ 16.Bxe3 fxe3 17.Nc3 f4 18.Ne4 h6 19.Qc2 g5 20.Bd3 Be7 21.Nc3 Ng7 22.d5 cxd5 23.h3 Qg3 24.Nxd5 Ne6 25.b3 Rc8 26.Ra2 Bb7 27.Be4 h5 28.Nc3 g4 29.hxg4 Bxe4 30.Qxe4 Qxg4 31.Nd5 Nc5 32.Qb1 Rh6 33.Re2 h4 34.Rh3 a5 35.Nd4 Rh5 36.Rf3 h3 37.gxh3 Rxh3 38.Rxh3 Qxh3 39.Qg6 Qh8 40.Rh2 Qf8 41.Qxb6+ Ke8 42.Rh7 Rc6 43.Qb8+ Bd8 44.Nxc6 Ne6 45.Qxd8+ Nxd8 46.Nc7# 1-0
and here's one by world champion lasker
Lasker,Emanuel - Shipley,Walter P [C25]
Philadelphia sim Philadelphia, 1892
1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.d4 Qh4+ 5.Ke2 d5 6.exd5 Bg4+ 7.Nf3 0-0-0 8.dxc6 Bc5 9.cxb7+ Kb8 10.Nb5 Nf6 11.b4 Bxf3+ 12.gxf3 Rhe8+ 13.Kd2 Bxb4+ 14.c3 Qf2+ 15.Kd3 Re1 16.Qa4 Qxf3+ 17.Kc4 a5 18.cxb4 Qxh1 19.Qxa5 Qxf1+ 20.Kb3 Qd3+ 21.Ka4 Qc2+ 22.Ka3 Qd3+ 23.Ka4 Qc2+ 24.Ka3 Kxb7 0-1
and here's one by winawer
Winawer,Szymon - Rosenthal,Samuel [C25]
London+ London, 1883
1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.d4 Qh4+ 5.Ke2 d5 6.exd5 Qe7+ 7.Kf2 Qh4+ 8.Ke2 Qe7+ 9.Kf2 ½-½
anyway the opening is very populair at club level nowadays since it leads to a very intresting and sharp game with attacking chances for both sides.
so if you prefer a sharp attacking game instead of boring posistional maneuvering and think the kings gambit is not to reliable this is your thing.
🙂
Every chess sense I have is screaming that White is lost. But somehow he's not. Well not yet anyway. I guess if you can get the queen's off you might be ok.
Fritz however thinks white is a pawn down leading to a lost game against good play. Would be interesting to see a theme tournament with this starting position.
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardyea, pretty much any 4th move other than d4 :-) And I do mean any. Nf3 is the obvious choice, or Bc4, both of which could easily transpose into civilized KG positions... but even an appropriate Q move would be better than this lot.
do you have a better alternative??? that would be awesome!!!😲
Originally posted by paultopiawell gm and opening theoretician gufeld suggest d4 here since the alternative nf3 can not count on an an advantage after 4...g5 or 4...be7 also i think bc4 is met by qh4 + kf1 bc5 with serious problems for white.
yea, pretty much any 4th move other than d4 :-) And I do mean any. Nf3 is the obvious choice, or Bc4, both of which could easily transpose into civilized KG positions... but even an appropriate Q move would be better than this lot.
Originally posted by XanthosNZfritz is wrong if it thinks white is a pawn down my experience with this opening has shown that it is very impossible for black to hold on to the pawn. you shoud problably put fritz on endless analyse to get a good idee on the opening 😛
Every chess sense I have is screaming that White is lost. But somehow he's not. Well not yet anyway. I guess if you can get the queen's off you might be ok.
Fritz however thinks white is a pawn down leading to a lost game against good play. Would be interesting to see a theme tournament with this starting position.
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardWhen fritz says white's a pawn down,that doesn't mean white is actually a pawn down on the board.White could be up a queen,but a pawn down in fritz' assessment.It's just how it shows you what it thinks about the position.
fritz is wrong if it thinks white is a pawn down my experience with this opening has shown that it is very impossible for black to hold on to the pawn. you shoud problably put fritz on endless analyse to get a good idee on the opening 😛