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Tal's Incorrect Sacs

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I was just studying this famous game:http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1081233

He writes in his book The Life and Games of MIKHAIL TAL that they did not get along very well.

He perhaps said his famous words after this game: ""There are two types of sacrifices: correct ones and mine!"

Any thoughts?

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most of them were the type that would lose to a computer very quickly, but were accurate enough to complicate the game to the extent that the opponent couldn't deal with the chaos as much as Tal could.

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Originally posted by diskamyl
most of them were the type that would lose to a computer very quickly, but were accurate enough to complicate the game to the extent that the opponent couldn't deal with the chaos as much as Tal could.
Viktor Korchnoi, after the Candidates matches in1968, belittled Tal to be "a highly rouitine player" and Tal did not say anyhting in reply (Life and Games 346-47).

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Incorect but good enough to win the world championship. Intrestlingly Korchnoi was never world champion.

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Originally posted by chrspayn
Incorect but good enough to win the world championship. Intrestlingly Korchnoi was never world champion.
But he won the USSR championship four and European championship five times; he is the oldest active (76) GM in the world. 😉

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Korchnoi was the only player who could compete against Karpov in when Karpov was in his best in the late 1970's.

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Originally posted by anthias
Korchnoi was the only player who could compete against Karpov in when Karpov was in his best in the late 1970's.
from wikipedia:

Anatoly Karpov : Peak rating 2780 (July 1994)

1994 Linares chess tournament. The field, in eventual finishing order, was Karpov, Kasparov, Shirov, Bareev, Kramnik, Lautier, Anand, Kamsky, Topalov, Ivanchuk, Gelfand, Illescas, Judit Polgar, and Beliavsky; with an average ELO rating of 2685, the highest ever to that moment, meaning it was the first Category XVIII tournament ever held. Impressed by the strength of the tournament, Kasparov had said several days before the tournament that the winner could rightfully be called the world champion of tournaments. Perhaps spurred on by this comment, Karpov played the best tournament of his life. He was undefeated and earned 11 points out of 13 possible (the best world-class tournament winning percentage since Alekhine won San Remo in 1930), dominating second-place Kasparov and Shirov by a huge 2.5 points. Many of his wins were spectacular (in particular, his win over Topalov, selected below, is considered possibly the finest of his career). This performance against the best players in the world put his ELO rating tournament performance at 2985, the highest performance rating of any chess player in any tournament in all of chess history.

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Originally posted by flexmore
from wikipedia:

Anatoly Karpov : Peak rating 2780 (July 1994)

1994 Linares chess tournament. The field, in eventual finishing order, was Karpov, Kasparov, Shirov, Bareev, Kramnik, Lautier, Anand, Kamsky, Topalov, Ivanchuk, Gelfand, Illescas, Judit Polgar, and Beliavsky; with an average ELO rating of 2685, the highest ever to that moment, meaning it ...[text shortened]... 5, the highest performance rating of any chess player in any tournament in all of chess history.
Actually Karpove was not that good back in 70's. 😛 If Fischer played him he would lose.

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Yes, I know of the Linares 94'. I really enjoy analyzing the games he played there. I am talking about the overall strength he had in the late 70's. During that time, Karpov was desperately trying to prove that he had deserved to be a world champion. He crushed everyone on his path in nearly all tournaments.

As for the Karpov-Fischer match, we will never know what will happen. However, I favor Fischer.

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Analyzing any of the old games with a good computer program is always fun and enlightening. Many times sacrifices are found to be unsound or there may be better ways of continuing, but players like Tahl weren’t playing computers. They were playing real human beings who often weren’t up to the task of fathoming the depths of the complications that were introduced. Players before computers often gave the impression they had everything figured out but today we know that’s simply not true. Using Rybka I recently looked at some games from old Chess Review magazines out of the 50’s that were annotated by IM Hans Kmoch. He often annotated by result and many of his notes were just plain wrong. Back in those days there was nobody to dispute the annotator’s conclusions. Today anybody with an engine can. Use care with taking things at face value when playing over annotations written pre-computer. Also remember you generally only see the best games. I have some old tournament books with all games played from 50-60 years ago and many of the games played by the majority of the players aren’t that good. In fact I doubt some of the bottom finishers were even masters.

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Originally posted by kenan
Actually Karpov was not that good back in 70's. 😛 If Fischer played him he would lose.
A lot of people would disagree with you on that point. Not being alive at the time, I don't have much of an opinion, though I'd like to think Fischer would have won such a match in 1975. 🙂

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Karpov was one of the best players ever lived but I still think Tal was better than Korchnoi. Just because he's the oldest GM in the world doesn't prove anything.

Let's not forget Tal's victories?
He was the youngest person ever to win the USSR, youngest world champion, a SIX TIME winner of the USSR Champion, World Blitz champion, 8 chess olypiiads, I could go on and on.

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Originally posted by OrangeKing
A lot of people would disagree with you on that point. Not being alive at the time, I don't have much of an opinion, though I'd like to think Fischer would have won such a match in 1975. 🙂
Some people also claim that Fischer did not play the game and made up excuses becasuse he knew that he did not have any real winning chances against the Soviet chess machine.

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Originally posted by OrangeKing
A lot of people would disagree with you on that point. Not being alive at the time, I don't have much of an opinion, though I'd like to think Fischer would have won such a match in 1975. 🙂
I was and Fischer’s results were simply unbelievable. The way he crushed Larsen, Taimanov and Petrosian left people in awe. Even so many people thought Spassky would win, but their pre-match predictions were way wrong. Some say he didn’t want to play Karpov because he was afraid, but I don’t believe it. Fischer had been showing signs of unstable and irrational behavior for years.

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Originally posted by TheQuinnOfAMS
Karpov was one of the best players ever lived but I still think Tal was better than Korchnoi. Just because he's the oldest GM in the world doesn't prove anything.

Let's not forget Tal's victories?
He was the youngest person ever to win the USSR, youngest world champion, a SIX TIME winner of the USSR Champion, World Blitz champion, 8 chess olypiiads, I could go on and on.
Of course, we are talking about Mikhail Nekhemievich Tal! We cannot even compare them.

I was just stressing that although Viktor Korchnoi was never a world champion, he still was one of the strongest players of his time and as anthias mentioned almost became a world champion.

However, he definately lacked the quailty to be a world class player like Tal, Botvinnik, Spassky, Fischer, Alekhine, Capablanca, Karpov, Kasparov etc...

If you want to compare Korchnoi, compare it with Larsen, Taimanov, Keres, Bronstein, Reshevsky even Smyslov but not Tal.

IMO, Tal is far superior (and more creative) than Korchnoi even though Tal had his worst performances against him.