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  1. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    15 Jan '08 20:40 / 2 edits
    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6. Kf1 Qe7 7. Nxh8 Bb6


    White to move.

    Bb6 over d5 which seems to be at best a draw after exd5 and then d6!

    Obviously the d6 line is still 'preferable' at the moment but maybe Bb6 is a good surprise weapon if not sound!

    Someone point me to the nearest chess book publisher!
  2. Standard member chessisvanity
    THE BISHOP GOD
    15 Jan '08 21:08
    yer not allowed to name a variation after yerself.....that's like giving yourself a nickname....other people have to do it.

    I called "Everyman Chess"...they said the Traxler sucks and then they hung up.
  3. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    15 Jan '08 21:12
    Ummm... my real name isn't ih8sens, sherlock.
  4. Standard member najdorfslayer
    The Ever Living
    15 Jan '08 22:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    Ummm... my real name isn't ih8sens, sherlock.
    Surely ...Bb6 is just an inferior move to the usual ...d5. What is the idea behind the bishop move anyway? The Traxler is playable due to rapid development and attacking chances against the White king. This move doesn't seem to do that?

    Maybe you will tell me and I will see the light
  5. 16 Jan '08 00:07
    As has been made abundantly clear in previous Traxler threads ad nauseam, 5.Bxf7+ leads to white advantage, so maybe it's time to move on?
  6. Donation !~TONY~!
    1...c5!
    16 Jan '08 00:14
    Originally posted by Northern Lad
    As has been made abundantly clear in previous Traxler threads ad nauseam, 5.Bxf7+ leads to white advantage, so maybe it's time to move on?
    I knew this was coming, and it was just as funny as I'd thought it would be!
  7. 16 Jan '08 00:17
    Originally posted by Northern Lad
    As has been made abundantly clear in previous Traxler threads ad nauseam, 5.Bxf7+ leads to white advantage, so maybe it's time to move on?
    But people still play Nxf7...
  8. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    16 Jan '08 00:51
    that's true! At least on our level.
  9. 16 Jan '08 01:01
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    But people still play Nxf7...
    They're either masochists or people pleasers, I'm not entirely sure which. Boring players who just want to win games play 5.Bxf7+.
  10. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    16 Jan '08 01:13
    Probably on our level material still beats initiative so that is why a lot of players plays knight fork..?
  11. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    16 Jan '08 03:16
    Okay northern lad, I give up...

    I can't find an adequate way to get the pawn back.

    BUT BUT BUT!!!

    The Bxf7+ variation gives white an extremely hard game.. harder than the KG gives black.

    Therefore, in a list of 'true' gambits... the traxler is the best of all.

    I don't care if you disagree.. if you have something to prove send me a game.. I think I'll surprise you.
  12. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    16 Jan '08 03:18
    Originally posted by najdorfslayer
    Surely ...Bb6 is just an inferior move to the usual ...d5. What is the idea behind the bishop move anyway? The Traxler is playable due to rapid development and attacking chances against the White king. This move doesn't seem to do that?

    Maybe you will tell me and I will see the light
    Qc5 of course . Then Qf8 ...

    you can keep bouncing your threats around and forcing white to contort it's position and gradually give black a good game.

    I've been analyzing it with fritz and it tends to equalize... no perpetual checks .. more material tactics rather than mating attempts..

    plus it's a great surprise... no one has any material on that line as far as I know .
  13. 16 Jan '08 04:10
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    Qc5 of course . Then Qf8 ...

    you can keep bouncing your threats around and forcing white to contort it's position and gradually give black a good game.

    I've been analyzing it with fritz and it tends to equalize... no perpetual checks .. more material tactics rather than mating attempts..

    plus it's a great surprise... no one has any material on that line as far as I know .
    I do