The Long Castle Kingside

Recently had to go through a lot of trouble to castle.

I cannot see the logic of 4...Kd7. Was there a forced mate if you left your King where he was?
4...e5 is a valid defence against Nxc7, as even Bxe5 is met with Nxe5

Originally posted by Andrelious
I cannot see the logic of 4...Kd7. Was there a forced mate if you left your King where he was?
4...e5 is a valid defence against Nxc7, as even Bxe5 is met with Nxe5

My eyes are burning.

That game was brutal.

I've never seen such reluctance for players to move the e-pawns. Were they glued to the board? 😵

Originally posted by Andrelious
I cannot see the logic of 4...Kd7. Was there a forced mate if you left your King where he was?
4...e5 is a valid defence against Nxc7, as even Bxe5 is met with Nxe5

I was trying to lull my opponent into making a mistake...(or maybe I miscalculated e5)
/whistles.

Originally posted by Andrelious
I cannot see the logic of 4...Kd7. Was there a forced mate if you left your King where he was?
4...e5 is a valid defence against Nxc7, as even Bxe5 is met with Nxe5

4...e5 5.dxe5 then what? Black is still losing.

Originally posted by gorookyourself
4...e5 5.dxe5 then what? Black is still losing.

5...Nh5! (One of the few times where a knight on the rim is NOT dim.)

Or even counterattacking with 5...a6 isn't too bad.

Hi Drax.

Since you have posted outside of Bates Motel I shall answer here.

The fact you won means there is nothing I can say about 4..Kd7?
you will take onboard.

This position has been seen just under 200 times.



With White winning the majority.

A few Black bright sparks have spotted the Knight fork on c7
and played Rb8.and fallen for the Boshop fork on c7.



Your 4...Kd7 has been seen 9 times before
with White winning 4, Black winning 4 and one draw.

The Black wins were dreadful with White either losing a
piece like they did in your game or failing to spot a
'combination' that a blind man could see.

Mikaere - scoop122 Game 2810498 RHP 2006

White to play



White, as most weaker players do, panicked when faced
with a threat to their King, played c3 and eventually lost.

1.Rxd7+ mates Black (check all checks).


Back to 4...Kd7?

I cannot see a 100% tactical plus, though everything I do
that does not drop a peice looks good.

What would Morphy do?
Simple chess first and any good White player would simply
play 5.Nf3.



The threats on c7 can wait. White is going to develop and
then do some serious Kicking. Though there is nothing at wrong
with Bxc7 and Bg3.

In your game you missed a strong looking move. Black to play.



You played 22...Bf5 and subjected us to a 'watching paint dry' win.
22...Nxd4! looks better, theatening Bf5 as well as all kinds of nasties.

The Opening.

The way to battle out of that mess is, as someone suggested 4...e5



5.dxe5 a6.



Most White's have now gone. 6.exf6 axb5 7.fxg7 Bxg7



That is not too bad for Black. Plenty of activity a few targets to hit.
I can cause osme trouble with that position.

you have too many games on the go and although I agree with
you crossing swords with players of a higher grade
you are going into these believing their every move.

Look at every move as though it was a blunder and examine it.

Of course with 20+ games on the go v reasonable players
this is not possible so the whole excercise is futile
because of your game load.

You walked into a Back Rank mate in Game 7656405
and in Game 7656401 here you (Black) to play.



Why did you not take the Knight?

You did you see: 11...BxN 12.Qg4+ Bg4 15. h4



And thought "Wow this guy is good the h-file is going to get
opened and I will be mated."

But 15...Nxe5 16.dxe5 Qxe5+ there is no White attack.
(15...Nxe5 16.Qg3 Qxc2 forces castles - no open h-file).

15...f5 also works. 16.Qg3 f4 17.Qg4 Nxe5.

I do not believe the White attack. In Blitz yes,
which is why it worked here.

Instead you played 11...Bxb4+ 12.c3 Nxd4?



brilliant. White took the Knight with his Queen ('thank you'😉
Sacced his a1 Rook and mated you rather clumsily.
(there was no need for him to sac the Knight).

Please stop posting this guff in the main forum you are giving Bates Motel
a bad name. 😉

Keep it in our Forum so I can use swear words. 🙂

Resign all lost games to see if you can salvage any wins
from the remaining games by cutting down your game load and
Taking Your Time..

Edit: Damn can never get these pgns to work, will put this up once i figure it out

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi Drax.

Since you have posted outside of Bates Motel I shall answer here.

The fact you won means there is nothing I can say about 4..Kd7?
you will take onboard.

This position has been seen just under 200 times.

[fen]r1bqkb1r/ppp1pppp/2n2n2/1N1p4/3P1B2/8/PPP1PPPP/R2QKBNR b KQkq - 0 4[/fen]

With White winning the majority.

A few Black ...[text shortened]...
from the remaining games by cutting down your game load and
[b]Taking Your Time..[/b]

Ya...what he said. 😏

Originally posted by ua41
[b]Edit: Damn can never get these pgns to work, will put this up once i figure it out

[pgn]1. e4 d5 2. Nb1c3 c6 3. d4 e6 4. Ng1f3 c5 5. b3 a6 6. Bc1g5 Qd8a5 7. Qd1d2 Nb8c6 8. exd5 cxd4 9. dxe6 Bc8xe6 10. O-O-O Bf8b4 11. Nf3xd4 Nc6xd4
12. Qd2xd4 Qa5xg5 13. Kc1b1 Qg5a5 14. Nc3a4 Ng8e7 15. Qd4xg7 Ne7g6 16. f4 Ra8d8 17. Bf1d3 Bb4f8 18. Qg7f6 Rh8g8 19. f5 Bf8g7 20 ...[text shortened]... e4 Ne7xf5 28. Qe4f4 Rg2xc2 29. Kf3f4 Rc2g2 30. Ne4g3 Bc3e5 31. Bd3xb5 axb5 32. Qf4f1 Nf5e3 0-1[/pgn]

Here's the game, sent to me by ua41 via PM- I copied his long algebraic version into chessbase, and then just copied it back out:

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "56"]

Thank you, Paul.

The game reminded me of the one in the opening post.

Very awkward opening for me as black, though. late development, two moves with the same pawn within the first few moves, queen before the minor pieces.

But I never went for a castle or moved my king

Originally posted by ua41
Thank you, Paul.

The game reminded me of the one in the opening post.

Very awkward opening for me as black, though. late development, two moves with the same pawn within the first few moves, queen before the minor pieces.

But I never went for a castle or moved my king

look really close at move 12. Do you think capturing the bishop is better than capturing the knight?