Interesting game I had on chessmaster recently, where I trapped both rooks inside of pawns! Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. It was awesome and I had to share it. (Move 51.) The computer had to trade one for a pawn. If not, my king could do a long walk and take both rooks.
Originally posted by hahahaaaa Interesting game I had on chessmaster recently, where I trapped both rooks inside of pawns! Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. It was awesome and I had to share it. (Move 51.) The computer had to trade one for a pawn. If not, my king could do a long walk and take both rooks.
I don't know if you understand the position you have just described. You King can NEVER "do a long walk and capture both rooks". So why did you say that!? Your knight can win a rook, but that's NOT what you said!
I believe I said, if a rook does not take a pawn. If you look carefully, you can see that my king could enter in on the H file by exchanging pawns on that end and then proceed to travel on the eighth rank and take the rooks. Of course, Ng8 would be good, and both rooks would be in danger, but I was relating how impotent the rooks were. At that point I could choose to try to have fun.
This post does not make sense to me. Can someone please explain to me how exactly can the king take both the rooks when one of them is guarded by the opponents king?!!
Originally posted by arrakis I don't know if you understand the position you have just described. You King can NEVER "do a long walk and capture both rooks". So why did you say that!? Your knight can win a rook, but that's NOT what you said!
You missed Kf3 and g4. If Black takes, wK has an entry point; if not, White wins the h-pawn and gets in anyway.
But it is also true that it's easier just to use the Knight. 😛
This post does not make sense to me. Can someone please explain to me how exactly can the king take both the rooks when one of them is guarded by the opponents king?!!
Let me help. Black is White's female canine here, if you catch my drift. If Black refuses to sacrifice a Rook, White can eventually take the Rc6 by using Zugzwang - get the wK to d7, take all of Black's other stuff, and wait for ...Ka7.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblem You missed Kf3 and g4. If Black takes, wK has an entry point; if not, White wins the h-pawn and gets in anyway.
But it is also true that it's easier just to use the Knight. 😛
I didn't miss anything. The king can NEVER capture both rooks! And the knight move is so simple... so the talk about the king gobbling up the rooks was in error.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblem You missed Kf3 and g4. If Black takes, wK has an entry point; if not, White wins the h-pawn and gets in anyway.
But it is also true that it's easier just to use the Knight. 😛
Thanks. This was exactly my whole point, I know it's easier to use the knight, but I again repeat that I was just pointing how impotent the rooks were. It's zugzwang up the ying-yang. I thought it would be a fun thing to show. I wasn't trying to start a debate. Sometimes I like to have fun with the computer when I have a won position. If you look at the game continuation, you will see that my knight starts picking off pawns and I end up with 6:1 pawn advantage, not because I had to, but because I decided I can.
PS Please explain to me how the king cannot enter.
I hate to post again, but I can't help it. Black's only moves without sacrificing a rook are to move his king or move his g-pawn. My king can walk to f3 and I will then play g4. If black takes my king gets in. If black doesn't, I take on g5. If his g-pawn then takes on g5, I move my rook to h8. Black's only move would be his king. My rook takes on g5 and then returns to h8. Then my king will walk over and take the rook on e7. I will then walk over to d7 and wait. Black's only move is his king. When the timing is right, I will slide my rook to somewhere like h8 and bring it down out of the way, so that when i take the rook on c6 it won't be stalemate.
Originally posted by hahahaaaa Interesting game I had on chessmaster recently, where I trapped both rooks inside of pawns! Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide. It was awesome and I had to share it. (Move 51.) The computer had to trade one for a pawn. If not, my king could do a long walk and take both rooks.
Trapping Rooks!
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