Unknown Gambit

I have been playing a gambit that I am sure is unsound but I have been sucessful using this gambit in blitz games on FICS.

what is this called?



[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.01.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "HerpesZhoster"]
[Black "BrianCron"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "1679"]
[BlackElo "1034"]
[PlyCount "34"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180+3"]

1. d4 {124} e5 {124} 2. dxe5 {3} f6 {3} 3. exf6 {3} Nxf6 {3} 4. e3 {3} Bc5 {3}
5. Nc3 {3} O-O {3} 6. Bd2 {3} d6 {3} 7. Nf3 {3} Bg4 {3} 8. Be2 {3} Nc6 {3} 9.
h3 {3} Bh5 {3} 10. g4 {3} Bg6 {3} 11. Nh4 {3} Be4 {3} 12. Nxe4 {3} Nxe4 {3} 13.
Bd3 {3} Nxf2 {3} 14. Qe2 {3} Qxh4 {3} 15. Qxf2 {3} Qxf2+ {3} 16. Kd1 {3} Bxe3 {
3} 17. Rf1 {3} Qxd2# {HerpesZhoster checkmated 3} 0-1

I found some related gambits but without the f6, exf

Charlick Gambit A40 1.d4 e5 241
Englund Gambit A40 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Qd5 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6 242

I don't know what it's called, but just from looking at it, I can see that the immediate ..f6 might be slightly inaccurate. What about this line?

1. d4 e5 2. de f6 3. ef Nf6 4. e4!

Since 4..Ne4 and Black gets messed up by 5. Qh5+ . Just my thoughts, I could be missing something. 😀

Well, as Dr McGrew says. It's better to play an unsound line you know well than a sound line you don't know at all.

I like it. Kind of a BDG in reverse. e4 Nc6 is interesting.

i'm not really sure

Originally posted by giantrobot
Well, as Dr McGrew says. It's better to play an unsound line you know well than a sound line you don't know at all.

I like it. Kind of a BDG in reverse. e4 Nc6 is interesting.

iono...BDG doesn't seem to perform that well, and playing it a tempo down can't help

but you do have a point, it IS better to play into an unsound line you know than a sound tactical line that you don't know. However, I would prefer playing into sound lines that I DO know

I started playing this after I started playing the Smith Morra Gambit... it's similar in that you lure the pawn over to develope the knight.

I played this against Fritz and he got an edge after the opening - as usual... but there was no swift exploitation of my shady opening.

I have other games that I have won... and many that I lost as well, but I don't think I lost because the opening was bad as much as my play was bad.

here are a few

a win

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.01.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Steveolio"]
[Black "BrianCron"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "846"]
[BlackElo "1075"]
[PlyCount "28"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180+3"]

1. d4 {124} e5 {124} 2. dxe5 {3} f6 {3} 3. exf6 {3} Nxf6 {3} 4. Nc3 {3} Bc5 {3}
5. e4 {3} O-O {3} 6. Bc4+ {3} Kh8 {3} 7. Nf3 {3} Ng4 {3} 8. O-O {3} d6 {3} 9.
b3 {3} Nc6 {3} 10. Bb2 {3} Qf6 {3} 11. Rb1 {3} Nd4 {3} 12. Nd5 {3} Nxf3+ {3}
13. gxf3 {3} Qh4 {3} 14. b4 {3} Qxh2# {Steveolio checkmated 3} 0-1

a loss (blundered my queen)

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2006.12.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "cetacean"]
[Black "BrianCron"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "1309"]
[BlackElo "1084"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "2006.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60+3"]

1. d4 {4} e5 {4} 2. dxe5 {3} f6 {3} 3. exf6 {3} Nxf6 {3} 4. Nf3 {3} Bc5 {3} 5.
e3 {3} O-O {3} 6. Bd3 {3} Ng4 {3} 7. O-O {3} d6 {3} 8. Nc3 {3} Ne5 {3} 9. Nxe5
{3} dxe5 {3} 10. Ne4 {3} Bd6 {3} 11. Nxd6 {3} cxd6 {3} 12. b3 {3} Nc6 {3} 13.
Bb2 {3} Bf5 {3} 14. Bxf5 {3} Rxf5 {3} 15. Qg4 {3} Qf6 {3} 16. Rad1 {3} Rf8 {3}
17. f4 {3} exf4 {3} 18. Bxf6 {3} R8xf6 {3} 19. Rxf4 {3} Rxf4 {3} 20. exf4 {3}
b5 {3} 21. Qc8+ {3} Kf7 {3} 22. Qxc6 {3} Kg6 {3} 23. Rxd6 {3} Rxd6 {3} 24.
Qxd6+ {3} Kf5 {3} 25. Qe5+ {3} Kg6 {3} 26. Qxb5 {3} h5 {3} 27. g3 {3} h4 {3}
28. Qg5+ {3} Kh7 {3} 29. Qxh4+ {3} Kg8 {3} 30. f5 {3} g6 {3} 31. fxg6 {3} a5 {3
} 32. Qh7+ {3} Kf8 {3} 33. Qf7# {BrianCron checkmated 3} 1-0


another loss (I lost a won game here so the opening went well)

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "deacon"]
[Black "BrianCron"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "1347"]
[BlackElo "1104"]
[PlyCount "159"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180+3"]

1. d4 {124} e5 {124} 2. dxe5 {3} f6 {3} 3. exf6 {3} Nxf6 {3} 4. Bg5 {3} Be7 {3}
5. Nf3 {3} O-O {3} 6. e3 {3} d5 {3} 7. Nc3 {3} Bg4 {3} 8. Bxf6 {3} Rxf6 {3} 9.
Be2 {3} Nc6 {3} 10. Qxd5+ {3} Kh8 {3} 11. Qxd8+ {3} Rxd8 {3} 12. O-O {3} Rdf8 {
3} 13. Rad1 {3} Bxf3 {3} 14. Bxf3 {3} Ne5 {3} 15. Bxb7 {3} Ng4 {3} 16. f3 {3}
Nxe3 {3} 17. Rd7 {3} Bc5 {3} 18. Rxc7 {3} Bb6 {3} 19. Re1 {3} Nxc2+ {3} 20. Kf1
{3} Bxc7 {3} 21. Re2 {3} Nd4 {3} 22. Rd2 {3} Nf5 {3} 23. Ne4 {3} Ne3+ {3} 24.
Kf2 {3} Nc4 {3} 25. Rc2 {3} Nd6 {3} 26. Nxf6 {3} Bb6+ {3} 27. Ke2 {3} Rxf6 {3}
28. Kd1 {3} g6 {3} 29. Rc6 {3} Ne8 {3} 30. Rc8 {3} Rf8 {3} 31. Bc6 {3} Bd4 {3}
32. b3 {3} Bg1 {3} 33. h3 {3} Bb6 {3} 34. Rxe8 {3} Rxe8 {3} 35. Bxe8 {3} h5 {3}
36. Bxg6 {3} h4 {3} 37. Bf5 {3} Kg7 {3} 38. Ke2 {3} Kf6 {3} 39. Bg4 {3} Kg5 {3}
40. Kd3 {3} Kf4 {3} 41. Bc8 {3} Kg3 {3} 42. Ke4 {3} Kxg2 {3} 43. f4 {3} Kg3 {3}
44. Bg4 {3} Bc7 {3} 45. f5 {3} a5 {3} 46. f6 {3} Bd6 {3} 47. f7 {3} Be7 {3} 48.
Kd5 {3} Kf4 {3} 49. Kc6 {3} Kg5 {3} 50. Kb5 {3} Bb4 {3} 51. Ka4 {3} Kf6 {3} 52.
f8=Q+ {3} Bxf8 {3} 53. Kxa5 {3} Ke5 {3} 54. a4 {3} Kd4 {3} 55. b4 {3} Kc4 {3}
56. b5 {3} Bb4+ {3} 57. Ka6 {3} Bc5 {3} 58. a5 {3} Kb4 {3} 59. b6 {3} Bd6 {3}
60. Bd7 {3} Kc5 {3} 61. b7 {3} Bc7 {3} 62. Be8 {3} Bd6 {3} 63. Ka7 {3} Bc7 {3}
64. b8=Q {3} Bxb8+ {3} 65. Kxb8 {3} Kd4 {3} 66. a6 {3} Ke4 {3} 67. Bd7 {3} Kf4
{3} 68. a7 {3} Kg3 {3} 69. a8=Q {3} Kh2 {3} 70. Qa2+ {3} Kg3 {3} 71. Qb3+ {3}
Kh2 {3} 72. Qc2+ {3} Kg3 {3} 73. Qd3+ {3} Kh2 {3} 74. Qe2+ {3} Kg3 {3} 75. Be6
{3} Kf4 {3} 76. Qd3 {3} Kg5 {3} 77. Qf5+ {3} Kh6 {3} 78. Qg4 {3} Kh7 {3} 79.
Bf7 {3} Kh6 {3} 80. Qg6# {BrianCron checkmated 3} 1-0

UGLY loss... I had some connections issues that really screwed my blitz games up [/excuse]

Originally posted by briancron
I have been playing a gambit that I am sure is unsound but I have been sucessful using this gambit in blitz games on FICS.

what is this called?

[fen]rnbqkb1r/pppp2pp/5n2/8/8/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 4[/fen]

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.01.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "HerpesZhoster"]
[Black "Bri ...[text shortened]... nd Gambit A40 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Qd5 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6 242

A40 Soller; Purchas Gambit 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 f6



Oh I've actually heard of it! I think there may even be an article about it from "The Gambit Cartel" but I can't remember for sure.

good call... I figured you would know if anyone does

I'll have to look it up and learn how I should have been playing it

Here is another blitz game I happened to win with this opening

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.01.14"]
[Round "?"]
[White "robbgio"]
[Black "BrianCron"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "1136"]
[BlackElo "1032"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[EventDate "2007.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180+3"]

1. d4 {124} e5 {124} 2. dxe5 {3} f6 {3} 3. exf6 {3} Nxf6 {3} 4. Nf3 {3} Bc5 {3}
5. e3 {3} d6 {3} 6. c3 {3} O-O {3} 7. Bd3 {3} a6 {3} 8. Ng5 {3} Ng4 {3} 9. Nf3
{3} Nc6 {3} 10. O-O {3} Nge5 {3} 11. Bxh7+ {3} Kxh7 {3} 12. Nxe5 {3} Nxe5 {3}
13. Qh5+ {3} Kg8 {3} 14. e4 {3} Qf6 {3} 15. Kh1 {3} Bg4 {3} 16. Bg5 {3} Bxh5 {3
} 17. Bxf6 {3} Rxf6 {3} 18. f3 {3} Raf8 {3} 19. Nd2 {3} Nd3 {3} 20. b4 {3} Nf2+
{3} 21. Kg1 {3} Nxe4+ {3} 22. bxc5 {3} Nxd2 {3} 23. Rf2 {3} Nc4 {3} 24. cxd6 {3
} Nxd6 {3} 25. Rb1 {3} Bg6 {3} 26. Rb4 {3} a5 {3} 27. Ra4 {3} b6 {3} 28. h4 {3}
Nb5 {3} 29. Ra3 {3} Rc6 {3} 30. Ra4 {3} Nxc3 {3} 31. Rg4 {3} Bf5 {
robbgio resigns 3} 0-1

Originally posted by briancron
good call... I figured you would know if anyone does

I'll have to look it up and learn how I should have been playing it

Here is another blitz game I happened to win with this opening

[Event "rated blitz match"]
[Site "Free Internet Chess Server"]
[Date "2007.01.14"]
[Round "?"]
[White "robbgio"]
[Black "BrianCron"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A40 ...[text shortened]... c6 {3} 30. Ra4 {3} Nxc3 {3} 31. Rg4 {3} Bf5 {
robbgio resigns 3} 0-1

If you ever have any more questions about an opening name I recommend ....

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/7378/chess.htm


You can find openings by name, move, or ECO.


You may also want to give the Albin Counter Gambit a shot, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5!? 3.dxe5 d4 - a bit suspect, but sharp and interesting.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
A40 Soller; Purchas Gambit 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 f6



Oh I've actually heard of it! I think there may even be an article about it from "The Gambit Cartel" but I can't remember for sure.

Yes, thats it. You can download all of the gambit cartel pdf's here:

http://www.chesscafe.com/zip/mcgrew.zip

or if you just want no 33 on the Soeller Gambit I have it here:


http://chessmob.org/files/mcgrew33.pdf

Great! thanks

I have all of the Mcgrew articles but I didn't know this was covered.

The bummer is that I can't really use it on here now!!! 😕

edit:
I actually read this article before now that i see it again. Clyde Nakamura is brilliant

Definantly seems interesting, but after

1.d4 e5
2. dx35 f6
3. e4 it seems that we have transposed somewhat into the dreaded (for black atleast)
1.e4 e5
2. Nf6 f6?
where a quick sac on e5 turns out to be disasterous for black