Using the Sicilian - Where did I go wrong?

USArmyParatrooper

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24 May 09 08:38

USArmyParatrooper

Joined: 10 May 09
Moves: 13341

24 May 09 08:38

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The game was a bit faster than I would have liked (I have dialup speed here) and I forgot all about time. Please tell me what I did right and wrong. Thanks

It ended with my time running out.

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move 1 could not be played: Invalid PGN : Error converting move e2

[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2009.5.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MATTU"]
[Black "USArmyParatrooper"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e2-e4 c7-c5 2. Ng1-f3 d7-d6 3. d2-d4 c5xd4 4. Nf3xd4 Ng8-f6 5. Qd1-f3 Nb8-c6 6. Nd4-b3 Bc8-d7 7. Bf1-e2 g7-g6 8. O-O Bf8-g7 9. Nb1-c3 O-O 10. Be2-c4 Bd7-e6 11. Bc4xe6 f7xe6 12. Qf3-g3 Nf6-h5 13. Qg3-g4 e6-e5 14. Qg4-e6 Kg8-h8 15. Nc3-d5 Nc6-d4 16. Nb3xd4 e5xd4 17. Bc1-g5 Bg7-f6 18. Bg5-h6 Nh5-g7 19. Qe6-g4 e7-e6 20. Nd5-f4 Qd8-e7 21. Ra1-d1 e6-e5 22. Nf4-d5 Qe7-f7 23. a2-a4 Ra8-c8 24. Rd1-c1 Rc8-c4 25. a4-a5 Rf8-c8 26. Qg4-e2 Ng7-h5 27. b2-b3 Rc4-c5 28. b3-b4 Rc5-c6 29. b4-b5 Rc6-c5 30. a5-a6  1-0

USArmyParatrooper

Joined: 10 May 09
Moves: 13341

24 May 09 11:01

Here's another. This opponent is rated 1376 on RHP, which is on the high side of what I bounce between on Yahoo. BTW, now that I learned I can play live games on here I think I'm ditching Yahoo.

Unfortunately it wasn't a tactical win. I just took advatage of a major blunder.

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move 1 could not be played: Invalid PGN : Error converting move d2

[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2009.5.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "USArmyParatrooper"]
[Black "mcgeenerman"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d2-d4 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 c7-c5 3. e2-e3 b7-b6 4. Nb1-c3 a7-a6 5. Ng1-f3 Bc8-b7 6. e3-e4 Nb8-c6 7. Bc1-e3 g7-g6 8. d4-d5 Nc6-b4 9. a2-a3 e6xd5 10. a3xb4 d5xe4 11. Nf3-d2 c5xb4 12. Nc3xe4 Bf8-g7 13. Ra1-b1 d7-d5 14. c4xd5 Bb7xd5 15. Qd1-a4 b6-b5 16. Qa4xb4 Ng8-e7 17. Bf1-e2 f7-f5 18. Ne4-c3 Bd5xg2 19. Rh1-g1 Bg2-c6 20. Be3-g5 Ra8-a7 21. Qb4-c5 Bg7-d4 22. Qc5-b4 Qd8-b6 23. Bg5-e3 Bd4xe3 24. f2xe3 Qb6xe3 25. Rg1-g3 Qe3-e5 26. Ke1-d1 a6-a5 27. Qb4-b3 Qe5-d4 28. Be2xb5 Ra7-b7 29. Bb5xc6 Ne7xc6 30. Qb3xb7 Nc6-d8 31. Qb7-b5  1-0

greenpawn34

Joined: 06 May 08
Moves: 44439

24 May 09 11:56

Hi

Just skipped though 2nd one - sure White can win a piece in opening.
However stopped dead here. (did not even look at rest of game).

16.Bxb5 + (instead of Qxb4 - which is OK). can see lots of good
news for White here. Uncastled King, (so h8 Rook up). loads of
open files, loose Black pieces - must be a tactical wipe out here.

Eric LeFavour

The guy

...who does not know

Joined: 27 Jan 09
Moves: 19133

24 May 09 12:08

I thought the Sicilian went e4-c5 ? I don't claim I am right, that is just how I thought it started out. Are there some other rules for it's definition? (the sicilian)

USArmyParatrooper

Joined: 10 May 09
Moves: 13341

24 May 09 12:13

Originally posted by Eric LeFavour
I thought the Sicilian went e4-c5 ? I don't claim I am right, that is just how I thought it started out. Are there some other rules for it's definition? (the sicilian)

You're right. The first game did go in that sequence.

Garnoth

Joined: 16 Nov 06
Moves: 9787

24 May 09 12:22

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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
The game was a bit faster than I would have liked (I have dialup speed here) and I forgot all about time. Please tell me what I did right and wrong. Thanks

It ended with my time running out.

[pgn][Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2009.5.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "MATTU"]
[Black "USArmyParatrooper"]
[Result "1-0 -e2 Ng7-h5 27. b2-b3 Rc4-c5 28. b3-b4 Rc5-c6 29. b4-b5 Rc6-c5 30. a5-a6 1-0[/pgn]

I really don't like Be6 in game 1. It just ruins your structure, and good pawn structure is one of the main reasons for playing the sicilian. Otherwise you played the opening very well, your opponent didn;t put any pressure on your position and you used those tempi wisely to develop. I just think Be6 is very ugly looking.

I think I would have gone for some queenside expansion instead, especially sine that is where all your trumps lie (your strong g7 bishop, open c file etc.)

heinzkat

Joined: 25 Apr 06
Moves: 5939

24 May 09 12:23

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi

Just skipped though 2nd one - sure White can win a piece in opening.
However stopped dead here. (did not even look at rest of game).

16.Bxb5 + (instead of Qxb4 - which is OK). can see lots of good
news for White here. Uncastled King, (so h8 Rook up). loads of
open files, loose Black pieces - must be a tactical wipe out here.

Perhaps you're right after 16. Bxb5+ axb5 17. Qxb5+ Qd7 18. Nd6+, but 16. Bxb5+ axb5 17. Qxb5+ Kf8 18. ???

edit: 18. Bc5+ Ne7 19. O-O followed by either Re1 and hope the best of it?

Erekose

Joined: 16 Feb 07
Moves: 27653

24 May 09 12:47

In the first game, the basic problem was 10 ... Be6. 10 ... Ne5 gets rid of that annoying bishop and gives black a good game.

Erekose

Joined: 16 Feb 07
Moves: 27653

24 May 09 12:52

In the second game, 7 ... cxd4 was probably called for and would have gotten you into a sicilian-like position. Things got out of hand quickly after he played d5.

USArmyParatrooper

Joined: 10 May 09
Moves: 13341

24 May 09 13:12

Originally posted by Erekose
In the second game, 7 ... cxd4 was probably called for and would have gotten you into a sicilian-like position. Things got out of hand quickly after he played d5.

Actually in the second one I'm white

But I'll look at that because I can still learn from it. 🙂

greenpawn34

Joined: 06 May 08
Moves: 44439

24 May 09 13:21

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Originally posted by heinzkat
Perhaps you're right after 16. Bxb5+ axb5 17. Qxb5+ Qd7 18. Nd6+, but 16. Bxb5+ axb5 17. Qxb5+ Kf8 18. ???

edit: 18. Bc5+ Ne7 19. O-O followed by either Re1 and hope the best of it?

Hi Heinz.

Logged off to get wash and breakfast now rushing to get to
Edinburgh Congress - only logged on to find time of last round.

Saw after Ne7, Bxe7+ Kxe7 , Qb4+ Ke8 then castle.

(note Black cannot castle - never).

Did not go any further - just looks like like loads fo good stuff.
APA and open files - his h8 Rook will be a spectator.

Black moves are harder to find than White's and he in blunderland.

right off to congress - (still never seen rest of that game).

Edit 1; APA = All Pieces in Action (King safe).

chesskid001

USA

Joined: 22 Dec 05
Moves: 13780

24 May 09 14:45

Originally posted by Erekose
In the first game, the basic problem was 10 ... Be6. 10 ... Ne5 gets rid of that annoying bishop and gives black a good game.

I agree. The problem with Be6 is that those doubled pawns allow white strong play. Ne5 gets rid of the bishop and leaves you with good play in the center, and I'd say a slight advantage for black