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  1. 05 Feb '09 00:02
    I took the draw offer because I was out of ideas. Any comments? (I'm black).


  2. 05 Feb '09 00:12 / 1 edit
    if u r lucky you might somehow win an exchange, but taking a draw wasn't a bad decision. because converting a win in this situation seems difficult, the game looks drawish.
  3. 05 Feb '09 00:14
    a zugzwang might work, for example, move your bishop among the 7th rank then trade down his left side pawns, finally his bishop is force to move and u win his last pawn on the right.

    I don't like using algebraic notation.
  4. 05 Feb '09 00:15
    wait no actually, some how take his pawns on the left, then do a trade with your rook for his bishop then take his pawn on the right, finally promote your final pawn.
  5. Standard member Nowakowski
    10. O-O
    05 Feb '09 00:18
    He's black...

    Rxe6 f5xe6 2. kxe6 kd8 3. kd6 ...

    and black can move the pawn behind his king freely while shouldering away the white king away, and threatening both white pawns (although a single pawn can freeze them anyway)

    I think you had a win.

    -GIN
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    05 Feb '09 00:39 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Nowakowski
    He's black...

    Rxe6 f5xe6 2. kxe6 kd8 3. kd6 ...

    and black can move the pawn behind his king freely while shouldering away the white king away, and threatening both white pawns (although a single pawn can freeze them anyway)

    I think you had a win.

    -GIN
    I don't think that Rxe6 wins at all for black:

    1... Rxe6 2. fxe6 Kxe6 3. Kb7 Kd5 4. Kxa7 e5 5. a5 e4 6. Kb6 e3 7. a6 e2 8. a7 e1=Q 9. a8=Q+ and white wins

    I was thinking 1... a5, but that draws too, in my analysis.

    There may be a win, but I don't see it.
  7. 05 Feb '09 15:45 / 1 edit
    Rxe6 does not lose or win, it draws:

    1... Rxe6 2. fxe6 Kxe6 3. Kb7 Kf5
    4. Kxa7 e5 5. b4 e4 6. b5 e3 7. b6 e2 8. b7 e1=Q 9. b8=Q Qa5+ 10. Kb7 Qxa4

    In fact I think everything draws, I think it was right to take a draw. Its hard to imagine any kind of plan that even puts any pressure on white.
  8. 05 Feb '09 16:06
    I think it may be winning after 1...a5. I'm having a look just now-it's certainly close to winning.
  9. 05 Feb '09 17:43
    I can't find a win for black in the 1. ... a5 line after ... Kxe6 Kc6. Kc5 followed by b4 seems to at least hold for white in every line I think.

    Without 1. ... a5 Kb7 follows, with a5 transposing into the line above and Kxa7 followed by either b4 or if Kc5 then Kb7.
  10. 05 Feb '09 20:03
    The idea was to force white to either take on a5 at some point (in which case the e-pawn will queen with check) or for white to have to play b4 when his king is on the b-file (again black would queen with check). In both cases white would have a pawn on the 7th.

    However, it may not be possible to force this. I'm going to keep looking - there are often very sneaky ideas hidden in this type of endings : )
  11. 05 Feb '09 20:54
    Should have taken the B pawn on move 39
  12. 05 Feb '09 21:00
    I think a5 followed by Rxe6 loses for black, what lines are you looking at?
  13. 05 Feb '09 21:26
    Originally posted by sh76
    I don't think that Rxe6 wins at all for black:

    1... Rxe6 2. fxe6 Kxe6 3. Kb7 Kd5 4. Kxa7 e5 5. a5 e4 6. Kb6 e3 7. a6 e2 8. a7 e1=Q 9. a8=Q+ and white wins

    I was thinking 1... a5, but that draws too, in my analysis.

    There may be a win, but I don't see it.
    I agree - draw.
    Look at the position without the sacrifice of the exchange (rook for bishop). It is a dead draw. The white bishop is both double guard, and blockader.
    The white King cannot dislodge either black pawn because of the rook.

    So the only way to shake up the position is the exchange, which doesn't work for black however many intermediate moves he plays.
  14. 05 Feb '09 22:41
    Originally posted by Jasen777
    I took the draw offer because I was out of ideas. Any comments? (I'm black).
    One thought. Clearly the ending will be analysed thoroughly by everyone here, but, are you happy with the draw? If you are, then I would argue that yes, you were right to take the draw.

    Just a thought
  15. 05 Feb '09 23:46
    Originally posted by Meadows
    One thought. Clearly the ending will be analysed thoroughly by everyone here, but, are you happy with the draw? If you are, then I would argue that yes, you were right to take the draw.

    Just a thought
    Yes, I'm happy enough with it. Like I said, I was out of ideas. didn't want to do something dumb and lose. I was just wondering if I was right in a more theoretical sense.