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  1. Standard member Ramned
    The Rams
    18 Jan '09 02:35



    (I know it's called Vienna Game, but any more specific?)

    What's the advantages / disadvantages if you want to go above and beyond. (Keep in mind, black had other moves than Nf6. I.E 2 ... Q-f6)
  2. Standard member Lukerik
    Stick your hands up
    18 Jan '09 03:45
    I think it's called the Falkbeer/Berlin Defence. Don't know anything about it though.
  3. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    18 Jan '09 04:27
    whites play looks very fun, hes about to throw a pawn to f4 well supported. black may want to counter by building his own to the center.. maybe c6 and then d5.. ?
  4. Subscriber Pariah325
    Knife Wielder
    18 Jan '09 05:27
    Vienna, Mieses Variation. Mieses v. Blackburne, 1894. Didn't work out too hot for white (Mieses...). I think they played the same opening game in 1892 as well, when white won (again, Mieses). My opening book says that this opening laid dormant for many years, until the 1980s when you'd see some play at the master level. Still, no "noteworthy" player plays it on a regular basis. The criticism is that the e4 pawn blocks the a8-h1 diaganol right before you open up play for the bishop, so one of his main diaganols on that side are blocked. Basically, you are activating an already bad bishop on move three. Hope this helps.
    P
  5. 18 Jan '09 07:22
    Your diagram doesn't show the placement of the king's Knight. Classification depends on where white places his king's knight with Nf3 being Four Knights Glek system, while Ne2 is Vienna. German GM Igor Glek played many games with the Nf3 setup.

    I play 1...e5 as black and have faced the Glek a few times OTB. It is a solid albeit unambitious way for white to open the game that allows black to develop without difficulty.
  6. 20 Jan '09 21:37
    1 e4 e5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 g3 is the Vienna Game. "Theory" says that Black equalizes after 3...d5 4 ed Nd5 5 Bg2 Nc3 6 bc
  7. 20 Jan '09 23:54
    It is called the Smyslov Variation of the Vienna, and as someone mentioned Igor Glek helped to popularise a version of it it in recent years from the 4 knights move-order (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3).

    It was a big favourite of Scottish GM Paul Motwani in the 90's - he scored some crushing wins with it. I've been using it ever since seeing those games - I'll try to post one or 2 if I can remember how?!
  8. 20 Jan '09 23:57 / 1 edit
    Can't remember how to put game details in, but this one is Motwani-van Gisbergen, Sas van Gent 1992

  9. 21 Jan '09 00:00
    ...and this is Motwani v Jonsson, Iceland 1992
  10. 21 Jan '09 00:18
    Hi SF. was wondering when you were going to pop up and defend
    this opening.

    Was going to mention that you are the best person to ask regarding it.

    I see you have modestly refrained from posting a few of your good wins.

    In your experiance do you find that players are lulled into a false
    sense of security thinking it's harmless and easy to play against?
  11. 21 Jan '09 00:34 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Hi SF. was wondering when you were going to pop up and defend
    this opening.

    Was going to mention that you are the best person to ask regarding it.

    I see you have modestly refrained from posting a few of your good wins.

    In your experiance do you find that players are lulled into a false
    sense of security thinking it's harmless and easy to play against?
    Hehehe, cheers Greenpawn-trying not to blow my own trumpet : )

    I think that most average players as black think that there is nothing at all to worry about, and so develop away without thinking whether their development relates in any way to a middlegame strategy/plan!

    I don't play this so often now as white, simply because I want to try new things, but I wheel it out on occasion if i think my opponent is a bit 'lazy'.

    Here's a recent effort of mine (Burnett-Spencer, Scottish National League 2008 - it appeared in your column last year greenpawn) where black tries a very dangerous sac early on.

  12. 21 Jan '09 00:51
    I remember this game.

    The same position before the sac was on the next board to you
    so Black stopped playing till he saw how the attack panned out before
    perhaps saccing himself.
    (he liked your defence and did not sac a piece).

    If it had been me I would have played the same sac just to see
    the look on White's face.
  13. Standard member Ramned
    The Rams
    21 Jan '09 00:57 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by streetfighter
    Hehehe, cheers Greenpawn-trying not to blow my own trumpet : )

    I think that most average players as black think that there is nothing at all to worry about, and so develop away without thinking whether their development relates in any way to a middlegame strategy/plan!

    I don't play this so often now as white, simply because I want to try new thin 5 25. Qa7 Kd8 26. Rab1 Bc8 27. d4 d5 28. exd5 Re7 29. dxe5 Rxe5 30. f4 Re7 31. d6 1-0 [/pgn]
    That is a really good game, I'll have to look closer later, probably could pick up a trick/

    You seem to have a similar style of play as I do, even with black.
  14. Standard member Ramned
    The Rams
    24 Feb '09 21:10 / 3 edits
    OK, continuing the discussion on this opening, I have run into





    What are some good response to white for this position?
  15. 24 Feb '09 21:21
    "I have run into...."

    You might get into a wee bit of trouble asking for help about
    a game you are playing.

    Wait until it's over then some of the lads will help.

    Till then look at what you 'feel' is correct, analyse it and if you are
    happy - play it.