Game 7743504

or was the draw the right result?

I see for White the idea of h4-h5 winning the e-pawn.Black has to kick the knight to prevent this.So after your 31.a4 he has to play 31.... a6 intending 32.... b5.

I'd wait with the drawoffer to see what he does.If indeed a6 it looks drawn to me,though still lots of play left.

toet.

Originally posted by toeternitoe
I see for White the idea of h4-h5 winning the e-pawn.Black has to kick the knight to prevent this.So after your 31.a4 he has to play 31.... a6 intending 32.... b5.

I'd wait with the drawoffer to see what he does.If indeed a6 it looks drawn to me,though still lots of play left.

toet.

Originally posted by chessicle
31 ... a6 32 h4 b5 33 ab5 ab5 34 Na3 Rb6 35 h5 and a Black pawn falls, and with it, perhaps, the game?

Originally posted by toeternitoe
I see for White the idea of h4-h5 winning the e-pawn.Black has to kick the knight to prevent this.So after your 31.a4 he has to play 31.... a6 intending 32.... b5.

I'd wait with the drawoffer to see what he does.If indeed a6 it looks drawn to me,though still lots of play left.

toet.

Originally posted by toeternitoe
I see for White the idea of h4-h5 winning the e-pawn.Black has to kick the knight to prevent this.So after your 31.a4 he has to play 31.... a6 intending 32.... b5.

I'd wait with the drawoffer to see what he does.If indeed a6 it looks drawn to me,though still lots of play left.

toet.

"....was the draw the right result?"

You woukld have to say no because White was a piece up after Black's
clumsy Bxf2+ missing Qxg4.



A piece up means you call the shots and attack. You have a piece up your
sleeve to sac back to bring the game to a won ending.
Piece up games do not win themselves (as you found out).

Here White should have traded down...



....with 12 Bb5 and 13.Bxc6.

(In the game that Knight on b3 was a pain in the ass I hate Knights on b3/b6).

Here....



...you gave the piece back with 24.Nxd5 and then a draw was a fair result.
Black complicated things enough to justify a chance.
But he should never have been allowed to.

Looking at it and 24.Rxd5(!) Nxd5 25.Nxd5



White is still a piece up and the Knights will terrorise those Rooks.

Plan: Don't swap off your single Rook for 2N v R his pair of Rooks will go
doopy-loopy trying keep away from Knight Forks and eventually walk into one.

Of course these are OTB eyes. I'd strongly fancy my chances OTB as White
in that last postion.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
"....was the draw the right result?"

You woukld have to say no because White was a piece up after Black's
clumsy Bxf2+ missing Qxg4.

[fen]r1bqk2r/ppp2ppp/2np4/6B1/2B1P1Q1/1NN5/PPP2KPP/R6R b kq - 0 10[/fen]

A piece up means you call the shots and attack. You have a piece up your
sleeve to sac back to bring the game to a won ending.
Piece up ga ...[text shortened]... ourse these are OTB eyes. I'd strongly fancy my chances OTB as White
in that last postion.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
<snip> Looking at it and 24.Rxd5(!) Nxd5 25.Nxd5

White is still a piece up and the Knights will terrorise those Rooks.

Hi Schach.

No problem, you have to ask I always do.

Let's have a look.

After Rd6 I don't think I'd play your Nc7 I would sink the Knight in d5 with c4.



Such a Knight is worth a Rook.
My only reservation is I would like c4 for a Knight.
But you can never have everything.

It's stopping lots of things that one Knight.
The a-pawn cannot move as b6 is under attack.
the g-pawn is stuck else White gets f6

Now it's just to loose to call. Too many if's and buts.
Against anything Black does White has an answer.
White is fluid - Black has to do something and do it very carefully.

It's an OTB position this one (I said that ) C.C. and Black can avoid
walking into one but I think White can tidy himself up.
Once he gets that other Knight playing then the tricks start flying.

Note in these type of postions the Black King must keep out of the way
if he appraoches it's another forkable unit. His safest place may be h8.

Though now looking at it that other Knight (which has been a problem in this
game since it went to b3) I can see White is going to have to go crafty.
(I'm taking 1.c4 back 😉 no it's what I would play.)
Looks like it's Nf1 g4 and Ng3-f5 to see if we can pull forward that g-pawn.

Bet with best ever play it a draw - never a Black win.
White will have the winning chances though.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
After Rd6 I don't think I'd play your Nc7 I would sink the Knight in d5 with c4. Such a Knight is worth a Rook. My only reservation is I would like c4 for a Knight.
But you can never have everything. It's stopping lots of things that one Knight.

The a-pawn cannot move as b6 is under attack.
the g-pawn is stuck else White gets f6

Now it's just to loose to call.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi Schach.

No problem, you have to ask I always do.

Let's have a look.

After Rd6 I don't think I'd play your Nc7 I would sink the Knight in d5 with c4.

[fen]4r1k1/p4ppp/1p1r4/2pN4/2P1P3/6P1/PP1NK2P/3R4 b - c3 0 1[/fen]

Such a Knight is worth a Rook.
My only reservation is I would like c4 for a Knight.
But you can never have everything.
ever play it a draw - never a Black win.
White will have the winning chances though.

Hi Schach.



Sorry for not making myself clear.
The a-pawn moves and a Rook is tied down to the 6th rank defending the b6 pawn.
When playing such positions you try not to have a piece retricted to defending.
The key is being fluid.

I suggested Kh8 to get away from Ne7+ and Nf6+ tricks.
Not on at the moment but when the Knight is off d2 then a single Rook
may not stray onto the d-file because of this shot.

Hi TomTom

" I keep running into 1...f5."

I thought I had missed something.

From the diagram 1...f5 2.Kf3 pxp+ 3.Nxp



I still like White. I could play White OK. I would be very wary about taking Black.
There are loads of wrong moves for Black. That is all I usually need.
OTB I'd have faith in my opponent slipping up.