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Yet another IM thread... worrying post...

Yet another IM thread... worrying post...

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On the little-used "Help" forum there is a post from Mythrir suggesting IM31 phoned him, shocked, to ask why he couldn't log in at RHP.

I do hope that, irrespective of how "overwhelming" the evidence against him was, that he was properly informed before the decision was made public. And given plenty of chance to explain himself before the axe fell.

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only explanation i can think is that evidences against Ironman were so apparent and strong that there was no doubt whether he is guilty or not. but still...i see your point

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No one else? Really? Seems odd you get hundreds of posts about whether Exy or No1 has the higher principles, but only two about whether the guy we are all supposed to be talking about got a right to defend himself.

Hmm...

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Originally posted by dottewell
No one else? Really? Seems odd you get hundreds of posts about whether Exy or No1 has the higher principles, but only two about whether the guy we are all supposed to be talking about got a right to defend himself.

Hmm...
It seems you haven't been reading those other threads. This subject has come up many times.

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Originally posted by dottewell
No one else? Really? Seems odd you get hundreds of posts about whether Exy or No1 has the higher principles, but only two about whether the guy we are all supposed to be talking about got a right to defend himself.

Hmm...
What's he gonna say? The evidence was there and Russ made the choice. It would have been nice if he'd gotten an e-mail, instead of suddenly not being able to log in though.

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Originally posted by Nordlys
It seems you haven't been reading those other threads. This subject has come up many times.
If so, I apologise. I have to admit I have stopped wading through page after page of self-serving BS.

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Originally posted by Coconut
What's he gonna say? The evidence was there and Russ made the choice. It would have been nice if he'd gotten an e-mail, instead of suddenly not being able to log in though.
Imagine running that argument about any democratic legal system and you will realise how absurd it is.

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murders get a chance to defend themselves, why not Ironman?

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Originally posted by fierytorment
murders get a chance to defend themselves, why not Ironman?
WHAT is he going to say?

It wasn't me? I was framed? The DNA doesn't match? The point of the prosecution is to present evidence. The point of the defense is to make it not credible.

The evidence is in, IronMan31 matched a computer in over 90% of his moves. I know, we'll put him in a cell with a computer and 2 armed guards watching him. He'll play 100 games over whatever period of time it takes, and if he retains the same winning/matchup rate as he's always had, then he has given reasonable doubt. There isn't anything he can say to change the evidence

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I can think of a couple of things

OTB RECORDS

His Rating

His other CC chess site Rating

several things which could be checked out and haven't

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Originally posted by fierytorment
I can think of a couple of things

OTB RECORDS

His Rating

His other CC chess site Rating

several things which could be checked out and haven't
Who he was, What he did, and his level of chess knowledge was definitely considered. It didn't change the evidence.

I feel sorry for the people that leave the site; simply because they were completely duped by an engine-user.

--tmetzler

Edit: it would have made the job a lot easier if he was a prick, but he isn't.

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Originally posted by tmetzler
Who he was, What he did, and his level of chess knowledge was definitely considered. It didn't change the evidence.

I feel sorry for the people that leave the site; simply because they were completely duped by an engine-user.

--tmetzler

Edit: it would have made the job a lot easier if he was a prick, but he isn't.
It is pretty public knowledge that Ironman31 was a reincarnation of Edmond Dantes, were those games also analysed and taken into account?

I'd be curious to know if he only started to use the engine as IM31, knowing that one day he might be busted, as some sort of revenge against being timed-out and leaving the site before.

I know it won't influence the outcome of the evidence against IM31 but it would go a long way to help understand the psychology behind it.

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Originally posted by tmetzler
I feel sorry for the people that leave the site; simply because they were completely duped by an engine-user.
Maybe that's not the reason for some.