Originally posted by pootstick 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Ne6 Kxe6 9.Qd5 and forces mate ...?
edit: but 8. ... Qf8 might refute this.
But 8. .. Qf8 will lose the Queen. Or do we have to find a mate? I thought just a win for White. So I think it's already been solved. Here is the rest I the variations from my posting above...
Originally posted by Fat Lady 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7 8. Ne6 Qf8 9. Nxc7 looks crushing for White.
e.g. 9. ... Qf8 10. Qh5+ g6 11. Qd5+ Kf6 12. Bg5+ and White picks up the queen with a knight fork.
A friend of mine, Tim Kett, who has represented Wales in Chess Olympiads, experimented with Philidor's Defence for a while. He had quite a few disasters of this sort and spent a long time finding lines for Black which just about held. It all looked just horrible to me.
Originally posted by crazyblue In your line after 9. Ne6 then 9. .. Nb6 looks even better. It also attacks queen, but at the same time the bishop controls e6 again preventing the move repetition by Ng7+/Ne6+. If White doesn't have this forced draw anymore, Black is already better (a piece up for a pawn).
But now, since White has to win, I'm not sure if 8. Qd5+ or already 7. Qh5+ was e Black cannot counterattack White's queen. I will look at it again when I'm less tired 😴
Yeah... Nb6 is definately better... I see the solution now. For some reason, I was thinking Ne6 needed to be prepared but now I see it's better to do it almost immediately.