black to play and win

ok i think this one is the toughest yet.

remember black to play and win

trick...very tricky...

Knight to F3 would be my first move?

Originally posted by uzless
Knight to F3 would be my first move?

Was you sentence a question or statement? Make these things clear. Plus you need to produce the complete answer not 'I think I'll move a piece first.'

Originally posted by Gastel
Was you sentence a question or statement? Make these things clear. Plus you need to produce the complete answer not 'I think I'll move a piece first.'

Seems the first move would imply the solution worked out...didn't want to spoil the solution by posting....

besides hadn't worked it all out but it seems the correct move at first blush

Originally posted by uzless
Seems the first move would imply the solution worked out...didn't want to spoil the solution by posting....

besides hadn't worked it all out but it seems the correct move at first blush

Okay... I figured that if I move a piece first then I will get the solution. Didn't want to post the solution though, so I PM'd it.

Originally posted by uzless
Seems the first move would imply the solution worked out...didn't want to spoil the solution by posting....

besides hadn't worked it all out but it seems the correct move at first blush

i don't thinkanyone will get this solution on their first try grandmasters included (the actual solution required lots of help from nalimov after a number of fairly decent players spent a day on analysis.

however in answer to your original question

i see two responses for white against 1...Nf3
either
2.f7! or 2.Bf1!! both defenses are better than they look

i didn't mean to scare everyone off, the final endgame is long but the first 8 moves are the key really after that a little finesse and you have a won endgame.