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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. Subscriber BigDoggProblemonline
    The Advanced Mind
    04 Feb '05 20:02
    Here's a novel thought: A chess problem in the puzzles section of a chess website.

    White has the audacity to say that he will begin the game by playing 1.f3, 2.Kf2, 3.Kg3, and 4.Kg4. How might black checkmate him on black's 4th move?
  2. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    04 Feb '05 23:00
    1. e6 2. Nc6 3. Qf6 4. Qd4#
  3. Subscriber BigDoggProblemonline
    The Advanced Mind
    05 Feb '05 00:07 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Palynka
    1. e6 2. Nc6 3. Qf6 4. Qd4#
    Not quite - White can block check with 5.f4, or run with 5.Kg5 (h5).

    I just noticed I made an error in the stipulation. White's moves should be 1.f3 2.Kf2 3.Kg3 4.Kh4 (instead of 4.Kg4).
  4. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    05 Feb '05 11:17
    1. e6 2. h6 3. d5 4. Qg5
  5. Subscriber BigDoggProblemonline
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Feb '05 01:45
    Originally posted by Palynka
    1. e6 2. h6 3. d5 4. Qg5
    After 1.f3 e6 2.Kf2 h6 3.Kg3 d5, 4.Kh4?? is illegal.
  6. 06 Feb '05 10:35 / 2 edits
    1.f3 e62.Kf2 Qf63.Kg3 Be7 4.Kg4 Qh4 #
    Hehe, I just saw that the fourth move of White is 4.Kh4...
    Okay then:
    1.f3 e6 2. Kf2 Qf6 3. Kg3 Qxf3 +! 4. Kh4 Be7 #
    Uff, that was rather exhausting...
  7. 06 Feb '05 10:39
    Originally posted by ilywrin
    1.f3 e62.Kf2 Qf63.Kg3 Be7 4.Kg4 Qh4 #
    He changed the original stipulation, the king moves 4. Kh4, which would be illegal if you had your Queen on the d8-h4 diagonal
  8. 06 Feb '05 10:46
    Originally posted by BLReid
    He changed the original stipulation, the king moves 4. Kh4, which would be illegal if you had your Queen on the d8-h4 diagonal
    Fixed
  9. 06 Feb '05 12:02
    Originally posted by ilywrin
    Fixed
    that's what I meant, sorry
  10. 06 Feb '05 13:26
    Looking at the original problem, I thought whta if White play 1. d3 2. Kd2 3. Kc3 4. Kb4, however all my attempts to mate with Black fell short of one move. Interestingly enough, 1.d3 2.Kd2 3. Kc3. 4. Kd4 leads to mate in four moves (perhaps there's more than one solution to that)! Hehehe, I found that mental excercise quite enjoyable
  11. Subscriber BigDoggProblemonline
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Feb '05 19:08
    Originally posted by ilywrin
    Looking at the original problem, I thought whta if White play 1. d3 2. Kd2 3. Kc3 4. Kb4, however all my attempts to mate with Black fell short of one move. Interestingly enough, [b]1.d3 2.Kd2 3. Kc3. 4. Kd4 leads to mate in four moves (perhaps there's more than one solution to that)! Hehehe, I found that mental excercise quite enjoyable[/b]
    In this version, Black doesn't even have to wait for move 4.

    1.d3 e6 2.Kd2 Qe7 3.Kc3 Qb4#

    Or he can interpret the stipulation strictly and play

    1.d3 f5 2.Kd2 e6 3.Kc3 Qe7 4.Kd4 Qc5#

    I can't find a mate if white is allowed to play 4.Kb4 though.




  12. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    06 Feb '05 19:24
    Oops, my second answer was if the king went to f4. Ok, if it's Kh4 then:

    1. d5 2. Nf6 3. Qd6 4. Qf4#
  13. Subscriber BigDoggProblemonline
    The Advanced Mind
    06 Feb '05 20:12
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Oops, my second answer was if the king went to f4. Ok, if it's Kh4 then:

    1. d5 2. Nf6 3. Qd6 4. Qf4#
    5.g4 blocks check.
  14. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    06 Feb '05 20:51
    Lol! I quit!
  15. 07 Feb '05 10:49 / 2 edits
    BigDoggProblem you're correct. The mate I had in mind was 1.d3 Nf6 2.Kd2 e6 3. Kc3 Qe7 4.Kd4 Qc5, so there is obviously more than one solution. As for the 4.Kb4 variation, there can be no mate in four moves .
    Okay, I'm reposting the solution to the original problem:
    1.f3 e6 (or e5)2.Kf2 Qf6 3. Kg3 Qf3 4. Kh4 Be7 #

    Now after that loss, white recuperated and and announced that he will play for a direct king attack on the center 1.d4 2.Kd2 3. Ke3 4.Ke4 , a plan the devious Black refuted with another mate on the fourth move. How?