10 Dec 16
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Originally posted by EladarI agree God sees the heart and only he can say whether or not the works are done by faith. But to say good works alone can save us is unbiblical and clearly contradicts what is written in Ephesians 2:8-10.
The works that reflect what is in the heart. That was an easy one.
10 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI never said good works alone saves.
Good works alone clearly do not save us.
Eph. 2:8-10, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
10 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHe is allowed to believe what he likes. I would say that what he means is probably wrong if he is saying that a person who has read the Bible and rejects Jesus as lord.
Yes, of course not, Rajk999 did and that's why I quoted Ephesians 2 to him. Why else do you think he is calling me a moron and an idiot? 🙂 He is clearly not one to practice what he preaches.
People are by nature sinful. Children of God know his voice so would recognize the Bible's truth.
10 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarAgreed.
He is allowed to believe what he likes. I would say that what he means is probably wrong if he is saying that a person who has read the Bible and rejects Jesus as lord.
People are by nature sinful. Children of God know his voice so would recognize the Bible's truth.
10 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI said faith alone is dead.
Yes, of course not, Rajk999 did and that's why I quoted Ephesians 2 to him. Why else do you think he is calling me a moron and an idiot? 🙂 He is clearly not one to practice what he preaches.
Good works alone is not dead.
Romans 2 makes that crystal clear, by pointing out
- that doers are just, not hearers
- that some who know of no law have the works of the law written in their hearts
- these will be judged by God
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI told you before that you do not understand the expression 'saved by grace' and how it applies to all people.
Good works alone clearly do not save us.
Eph. 2:8-10, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
All of mankind is saved by grace
All of mankind does not enter the Kingdom of God.
Paul said a woman is saved by childbearing. Does that mean all women who give birth will get eternal life and those who dont are excluded?
10 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999Most of mankind is lost and does not have eternal life. Only few find it.
I told you before that you do not understand the expression 'saved by grace' and how it applies to all people.
All of mankind is saved by grace
All of mankind does not enter the Kingdom of God.
Paul said a woman is saved by childbearing. Does that mean all women who give birth will get eternal life and those who dont are excluded?
Originally posted by EladarI agree, and the way to find it is all in the commandments of Jesus Christ, but Christianity has started a campaign against that. Instead they preach mouth worship.
Most of mankind is lost and does not have eternal life. Only few find it.
However the grace of God = the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is for all people, whether they make use of it or not its up to them.
10 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999If you define being a Christian as joining a church, then I can see what you are saying. No need to join a denomination to accept Jesus as lord of your life.
I agree, and the way to find it is all in the commandments of Jesus Christ, but Christianity has started a campaign against that. Instead they preach mouth worship.
However the grace of God = the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is for all people, whether they make use of it or not its up to them.
11 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk999So would you say those that are cast into the lake of fire are 'saved by grace'?
I told you before that you do not understand the expression 'saved by grace' and how it applies to all people.
All of mankind is saved by grace
All of mankind does not enter the Kingdom of God.
Paul said a woman is saved by childbearing. Does that mean all women who give birth will get eternal life and those who dont are excluded?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYes, they were saved from the condemnation of sin by the death of Christ. But Christ did not accept them into the Kingdom of God.
So would you say those that are cast into the lake of fire are 'saved by grace'?
You like Ephesians? Read this:
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.(Ephesians 5:1-5 KJV)
Paul addresses the Christian saints - all of whom as saved by grace, saved by the death of Christ .. all are saved. BUT IF THEY CONTINUE IN SIN THEY WILL NOT GET INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
SAVED DOES NOT MEAN AUTOMATIC ENTRY INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
11 Dec 16
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Originally posted by Rajk999So them being thrown into the lake of fire is not due to the condemnation of sin? 🙄 What then in your view is the condemnation of sin that they are supposedly saved from?
Yes, they were saved from the condemnation of sin by the death of Christ. But Christ did not accept them into the Kingdom of God.
If you don't mind me asking what is your background? Have you ever belonged to a church? If so which one?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYes, they were saved from the condemnation of sin by the death of Christ. But Christ did not accept them into the Kingdom of God.
So them being thrown into the lake of fire is not due to the condemnation of sin? 🙄 What then in your view is the condemnation of sin that they are supposedly saved from?
You like Ephesians? Read this:
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.(Ephesians 5:1-5 KJV)
Paul addresses the Christian saints - all of whom as saved by grace, saved by the death of Christ .. all are saved. BUT IF THEY CONTINUE IN SIN THEY WILL NOT GET INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
SAVED DOES NOT MEAN AUTOMATIC ENTRY INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.