Pornography

Originally posted by Great King Rat
You’re the one babbling about how the fact that it’s not real is why it’s bad.

People who watch horror movies get a temporal scare from what they see. People who watch porn get temporally aroused by what they see.

If anything, porn - while fake - is a lot more real than horror.

People can imagine themselves in the place of the porn actor a l ...[text shortened]... he schoolgirl being chased by a werewolf.

Explain again why one is bad while the other isn’t.

Its simply not possible to get the same sense of grandeur of a mountain peak by watching it on a monitor as when you climb the mountain yourself, surely?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its simply not possible to get the same sense of grandeur of a mountain peak by watching it on a monitor as when you climb the mountain yourself, surely?

The same? No, not the same. But I surely love watching those “Frozen Planet” and “Earth” and other documentaries. Some amazing footage right there. If in my lifetime we can actually get a person on Mars I’ll be sure as hell glued to the tv, while knowing full well I’ll never set foot on Mars myself and will never get the sensation of flying in a spaceship and watching Earth from a great distance.

Should I therefore not watch it?

Why is it bad to be impressed by something while not being a part of it?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
The same? No, not the same. But I surely love watching those “Frozen Planet” and “Earth” and other documentaries. Some amazing footage right there. If in my lifetime we can actually get a person on Mars I’ll be sure as hell glued to the tv, while knowing full well I’ll never set foot on Mars myself and will never get the sensation of flying in a space ...[text shortened]... refore not watch it?

Why is it bad to be impressed by something while not being a part of it?

Why is it bad to be impressed by something while not being a part of it?

because you shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Why is it bad to be impressed by something while not being a part of it?

because you shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you!

But what if you can’t get that kick yourself?

I’ll never be able to climb Mount Everest. Should I be unimpressed by seeing someone else reach the summit?

I’ll never be able to get to Mars. Should I not be impressed by the images of the one being on Mars?

Nobody is denying that it would be awesome to stand on top of Olympus Mons, but most people will never get there. Surely we can still be impressed by it when somebody else stands there?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
But what if you can’t get that kick yourself?

I’ll never be able to climb Mount Everest. Should I be unimpressed by seeing someone else reach the summit?

I’ll never be able to get to Mars. Should I not be impressed by the images of the one being on Mars?

Nobody is denying that it would be awesome to stand on top of Olympus Mons, but most people will never get there. Surely we can still be impressed by it when somebody else stands there?

Oh dear, its tragic, Kurt Cobain died for nothing, the punk ethos is truly dead!

yes its pathetic letting these other people get your kicks for you. are there not hills or mountains in your country that you can climb? well then, get up, get out and be what you are! No more heroes any more!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Oh dear, its tragic, Kurt Cobain died for nothing, the punk ethos is truly dead!

yes its pathetic letting these other people get your kicks for you. are there not hills or mountains in your country that you can climb? well then, get up, get out and be what you are! No more heroes any more!

There are no Mount Everests in my country, no. I live in the Netherlands. The highest hills we have are speedbumps.

I love watching those documentaries about nature. Going to the summit of Mt. Everest, reaching the deepest point of the ocean. Out of my reach, but fascinating nonetheless. Is it wrong to enjoy that? Should I be content with standing on speedbumps, while being indifferent to Mt. Everest?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
There are no Mount Everests in my country, no. I live in the Netherlands. The highest hills we have are speedbumps.

I love watching those documentaries about nature. Going to the summit of Mt. Everest, reaching the deepest point of the ocean. Out of my reach, but fascinating nonetheless. Is it wrong to enjoy that? Should I be content with standing on speedbumps, while being indifferent to Mt. Everest?

You live in the Netherlands? then surely there are other pursuits that you can engage in rather than sitting being spoon fed images and letting other people get your kicks for you? You can still go walking, in the countryside? surely? What about this?

The Vaalserberg (Mount of Vaals) is a hill with a height of 322.7 metres (1,059 ft) above NAP and the highest point in mainland Netherlands. The Vaalserberg is located in the province of Limburg, at the south-easternmost edge of the country in the municipality of Vaals, near the eponymous town, some three kilometres west of Aachen.

a mere speed bumb? ok 1000ft is not so high, but its ok or you could watch pictures on your computer of other people climbing it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You live in the Netherlands? then surely there are other pursuits that you can engage in rather than sitting being spoon fed images and letting other people get your kicks for you? You can still go walking, in the countryside? surely? What about this?

The Vaalserberg (Mount of Vaals) is a hill with a height of 322.7 metres (1,059 ft) above NAP a ...[text shortened]... ot so high, but its ok or you could watch pictures on your computer of other people climbing it.

Don't be silly. There is a mountain (ha!) of difference between "climbing" a hill and reaching the summit of Mt. Everest. The conditions at Everest are unlike anything you can find in The Netherlands. Your unwillingness to concede this is telling.

Forget about reaching Mars or The Moon. Nothing on Earth is comparable to seeing Earth rise from space.

Besides, me watching someone climb Mt. Everest in no way stops me from climbing that hill you mentioned. It's perfectly reasonable to live a good life and have fun while still being impressed by what happens in the rest of the world.

I suggest you leaf through your Watchtower magazines some more to help you formulate an argument because you're currently being downright goofy.

Of course, you know this already, don't you, you silly boy?

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Don't be silly. There is a mountain (ha!) of difference between "climbing" a hill and reaching the summit of Mt. Everest. The conditions at Everest are unlike anything you can find in The Netherlands. Your unwillingness to concede this is telling.

Forget about reaching Mars or The Moon. Nothing on Earth is comparable to seeing Earth rise from space ...[text shortened]... currently being downright goofy.

Of course, you know this already, don't you, you silly boy?

the fact of the matter is, watching images is second rate and if i were you i would get out my bicycle and get down to that mountain, if we can call 300 meters a mountain and stop being spoon fed images and letting other people get their kicks for you! There can be no comparison to feeling the wind on your face, to sucking up the panorama from a tall precipice, looking at images is plastic and a very poor substitute and antipunk ethos.

I leave you with the immortal words of Jimi Hendrix,

Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the fact of the matter is, watching images is second rate and if i were you i would get out my bicycle and get down to that mountain, if we can call 300 meters a mountain and stop being spoon fed images and letting other people get their kicks for you! There can be no comparison to feeling the wind on your face, to sucking up the panorama from a tal ...[text shortened]... ith the immortal words of Jimi Hendrix,

Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced?

You are simply re-iterating what you have said before without actually responding to what I’m saying. This is understandable because your argumentation lacks substance. So all you have left is your ability to write. You write well, most people here would agree with that. I seriously think you should attempt to write a short story or something, you creative writing skills seem excellent.

But that’s all you have. Factual argumentation you lack, unless you’ve read it in The Watchtower.

I have already told you that watching someone climb Mt. Everest does not mean I can’t “bicycle down a hill”. It is however a fact of life that none of us can do everything, so to a large degree we feed ourselves not only with our own experiences but also with those of others.

Limiting yourself only to what you yourself are capable of experiencing is making your world a tiny, tiny place.

Which in fact maybe is precisely what The Watchtower wants you to do.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
You are simply re-iterating what you have said before without actually responding to what I’m saying. This is understandable because your argumentation lacks substance. So all you have left is your ability to write. You write well, most people here would agree with that. I seriously think you should attempt to write a short story or something, you cre ...[text shortened]... rld a tiny, tiny place.

Which in fact maybe is precisely what The Watchtower wants you to do.

it does not lack substance at all, I have proven that images are second rate, you had no answer to the fact that to climb and experience a mountain is far superior to looking at pictures on a screen or in a book, NO answer, because its true, in fact the experience is incomparable, its like saying that looking at exotic lands in a brochure is almost as good as going on holiday, and its nonsense, so don't give me any of your jive that its lacks substance, it does not lack substance, looking at images and being passively spoon feed is nothing like actually doing the activity that you are a mere spectator of, nothing like it at all.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice i will dismiss them as the words of a madman.

No one has said it means that you cannot bicycle down a hill, have they, you are slobbering and drooling and falling into fiction. No one has said that you cannot look at images, what the actual argument was, is that images are inferior in every way, because they are artificial.

What is limiting is sucking up images when you could be experiencing life, that is what is limiting.

Maybe you should stop offering me unsolicited advice? what it has to do with the watchtower, i cannot say and neither can you. So shad up.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it does not lack substance at all, I have proven that images are second rate, you had no answer to the fact that to climb and experience a mountain is far superior to looking at pictures on a screen or in a book, NO answer, because its true, in fact the experience is incomparable, its like saying that looking at exotic lands in a brochure is almost a ...[text shortened]... ed advice? what it has to do with the watchtower, i cannot say and neither can you. So shad up.

It is absolutely true that to climb Mt. Everest yourself is a more intense experience than to watch someone else do it. However, most of us are incapable of doing something like that, so we are content with watching the experience of others.

I have already stated this in various forms a number of times, but because your argumentation has no substance you cannot bring yourself to actually respond to it. So you keep repeating it, as if it’s the first time you’ve said it. In fact, my very first response to this thread contained the statement you keep on repeating, but your religious blinders keep from reading – or at least consciously remembering – anything that might interfere with you’ve been taught by your religious overlords.

If you agree that watching someone climbing Mt. Everest does not keep you from bicycling down a hill, why do you keep bringing it up? The two are not related, so stop mentioning them.

But you won’t, cause it’s the only argumentation you can come up with, so you just repeat. After all, no matter how untrue something might be, if you repeat it long enough, it will come true.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it does not lack substance at all, I have proven that images are second rate, you had no answer to the fact that to climb and experience a mountain is far superior to looking at pictures on a screen or in a book, NO answer, because its true, in fact the experience is incomparable, its like saying that looking at exotic lands in a brochure is almost a ...[text shortened]... ed advice? what it has to do with the watchtower, i cannot say and neither can you. So shad up.

"What is limiting is sucking up images when you could be experiencing life, that is what is limiting."

So you never, ever, enjoy watching and otherwise experiencing people doing something; instead you do it yourself. Football, a rock band, ice skating, etc. etc.

And you justify your disinterest with lofty pronouncements.

Once again, you are out on a limb.

Originally posted by JS357
"What is limiting is sucking up images when you could be experiencing life, that is what is limiting."

So you never, ever, enjoy watching and otherwise experiencing people doing something; instead you do it yourself. Football, a rock band, ice skating, etc. etc.

And you justify your disinterest with lofty pronouncements.

Once again, you are out on a limb.

Yes I play the guitar, yes I play soccer, never learned to ice skate and I abhor sitting down watching other people dance at Ceilidhs when i could be dancing to the sound of the fiddle myself. Lofty comments??? whatever.

I am out on nothing, I have proven that sucking up images is a very poor substitute for experiencing the matter oneself. Its artificial and does not even approach the experience of the real thing. Its you who are out on a limb.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
It is absolutely true that to climb Mt. Everest yourself is a more intense experience than to watch someone else do it. However, most of us are incapable of doing something like that, so we are content with watching the experience of others.

I have already stated this in various forms a number of times, but because your argumentation has no substan ...[text shortened]... r all, no matter how untrue something might be, if you repeat it long enough, it will come true.

now it just the sound of a clashing cymbal, you keep looking at postcards if you like, ill be outside tasting the snow.