Originally posted by josephw
[b]"Prove to me that my everlasting life depends on believing and accepting the trinity."
It doesn't.
Having eternal life depends on you receiving it as a gift of God's grace through faith in what Jesus did on the cross on your behalf.
By grace through faith plus nothing.
Of course, it would make more sense to you if you knew the rea ...[text shortened]... ll be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.[/b]
Why do you think I'm ignoring that scripture at Isaiah? Is it because Jesus is also called a god, wonderful, counselor, the mighty god, the everlasting father or the prince of peace? Which is it? Any or all because we have no problem with any of those descriptions the bible uses there.
But not one of those descriptions means he is Almighty God but has been given those titles and descriptions by his Father Jehovah.
Is it not possible that he is also Mighty as his father is? Is it not possible he is counselor like his father? etc, etc?
Is it not possible you have some of the same qualities just as your father might have?
Anyway I'm posting this scripture that I would think a believer in the trinity might have a hard time with. Here it is clearly giving a description of Jesus in relation to his father. No where does this even hint that Jesus is also his Father in some godhead spirit form.
John 1:18 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
18 "It is true that no one has ever seen God at any time. Yet the divine and only Son, who lives in the closest intimacy with the Father, has made him known."
John 1:18 American Standard Version (ASV)
18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John 1:18 Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 "No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father]".
John 1:18 Common English Bible (CEB)
18 No one has ever seen God.
God the only Son,
who is at the Father’s side,
has made God known".
John 1:18 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
18 No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:18 International Standard Version (ISV)
18 No one has ever seen God. The uniquely existing God,[a] who is close to the Father’s side, has revealed him.
Shouldn't this have been written differently by God in John to clarify who Jesus really was instead of saying here that Jesus is his son and not the same as himself as in some type of spirit being within himself? And maybe just say we are 2 of a trinity? Sure would make it easier for you guys to explain it...