28 Apr '17 05:48>
Now that the clan leader vote on reforming the clan system is closed, the option which garnered the most favor was 2. Just leave it as it is (Annual net points) and punish any prior unsporting behaviour.
I have a problem with the punishment clause of option 2. It is ex post facto. In 2016, there was no clear definition of *sandbagging* though many people bandy the word about in the forums, and there was no rule prohibiting it (however it may come to be defined).
There was also no definition of what constitutes *collusion* (whether it requires any prior arrangement to throw games or whether it just happened spontaneously) and no rule forbidding it.
Before we go down the road of punishing activities against which there was no rule at the time, I should like a discussion what constitutes *unsporting behavior* and some clear definitions.
There are some clans which consider it sporting to resign games regardless of board position once a challenge has been decided. Others would call that sandbagging. This practice would get a team disqualified in any FIDE- or USCF-organized team event. It has been tolerated here. Should it be? Or is this something which might at some future time get punished ex post facto?
A player has denied that his captain ever ordered him to resign a game. This is irrelevant to the issue. As with the collusion issue, it is not about whether someone orders a thing to happen or whether it just happens spontaneously. It is about the deleterious effect it has on the system; the effect is the same regardless whether it is planned, arranged, ordered, or merely spontaneous.
Is this sporting? Let's have some feedback, what constitutes *sporting*, otherwise we'll all be back here in a year voting on whether something else should be punished ex post facto, ad naseum (sorry for all the Latin).
I have a problem with the punishment clause of option 2. It is ex post facto. In 2016, there was no clear definition of *sandbagging* though many people bandy the word about in the forums, and there was no rule prohibiting it (however it may come to be defined).
There was also no definition of what constitutes *collusion* (whether it requires any prior arrangement to throw games or whether it just happened spontaneously) and no rule forbidding it.
Before we go down the road of punishing activities against which there was no rule at the time, I should like a discussion what constitutes *unsporting behavior* and some clear definitions.
There are some clans which consider it sporting to resign games regardless of board position once a challenge has been decided. Others would call that sandbagging. This practice would get a team disqualified in any FIDE- or USCF-organized team event. It has been tolerated here. Should it be? Or is this something which might at some future time get punished ex post facto?
A player has denied that his captain ever ordered him to resign a game. This is irrelevant to the issue. As with the collusion issue, it is not about whether someone orders a thing to happen or whether it just happens spontaneously. It is about the deleterious effect it has on the system; the effect is the same regardless whether it is planned, arranged, ordered, or merely spontaneous.
Is this sporting? Let's have some feedback, what constitutes *sporting*, otherwise we'll all be back here in a year voting on whether something else should be punished ex post facto, ad naseum (sorry for all the Latin).