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https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

When democrats get proven wrong they go insane and lose all logic. When votes flip they don't flip if they are flipped back. I count 2 flips and they count 0.

Did votes flip and get flipped back for a total of 2 flips or did it never happen? What is the truth?

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@metal-brain said
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

When democrats get proven wrong they go insane and lose all logic. When votes flip they don't flip if they are flipped back. I count 2 flips and they count 0.

Did votes flip and get flipped back for a total of 2 flips or did it never happen? What is the truth?
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@metal-brain said
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/

When democrats get proven wrong they go insane and lose all logic. When votes flip they don't flip if they are flipped back. I count 2 flips and they count 0.

Did votes flip and get flipped back for a total of 2 flips or did it never happen? What is the truth?
LMAO!

No votes were "flipped" as the article makes clear.

The name of the article is "Antrim vote glitch: Expert shares how county mistakenly flipped from red to blue". "Flipped" in that context means when a county shifts in one election from one party to another; it doesn't mean that votes cast in that same election ever changed (as they didn't here).

Really you're making a fool of yourself repeatedly posting articles that debunk your claim.

What actually happened has been explained to you numerous times; a human error by a county clerk led to an incorrect report of unofficial results in Antrim to the Michigan Secretary of State. The error was quickly noticed and corrected long before the results were made official and would have been discovered in the process of the canvass (which is how results become official in Michigan) because the canvassers hand check the tabulator tapes which were accurate:

"any such errors in any county would be caught during the canvassing process, before results are declared official, when boards composed of two Democrats and two Republicans compare the numbers on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state."

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Let me try to explain this by way of analogy:

Yesterday, there was an NFL game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens. The Steelers won 19-14.

Now suppose the NFL has an official at the game in charge of reporting the score unofficially to the NFL Central Office. Because of some mistake he made, he reports that the Ravens won 19-14.

Have any points been actually "flipped"? No, the score of the game was what it was and either the local official or someone higher in the NFL food chain will correct it in the official results.

This is what happened in Antrim County; an local official made an error in reporting unofficial results which would have been corrected at some point assuming standard procedures were followed. No actual votes ever got "flipped".

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@no1marauder said
LMAO!

No votes were "flipped" as the article makes clear.

The name of the article is "Antrim vote glitch: Expert shares how county mistakenly flipped from red to blue". "Flipped" in that context means when a county shifts in one election from one party to another; it doesn't mean that votes cast in that same election ever changed (as they didn't here). ...[text shortened]... on the tapes printed from the tabulators to the unofficial results that were reported to the state."
The error involved loading software to the voting machine. It was not as though the dominion voting machine was not involved. The machine counted votes wrong.

It was obvious the votes were not counted correctly and it was noticed. There is no safeguard in the canvassing process as you well know. I'm sure they would have noticed the exact same way, but that has nothing to do with whether or not votes were flipped.

Votes were flipped by the machine in the counting process due to human error. No such error should be possible, but once again that has nothing to do with whether or not votes flipped. Thousands of votes changed from Trump to Biden. That means flipped. The article I posted makes that clear. Fortunately is was noticed because it was obvious, but that does not prove if it happens again it will be obvious and noticed. In another county it might not be obvious and noticed.

Before the results were made official thousands of votes were flipped. The notion that because votes were not made official yet means that the flipping never happened is delusional.

The entire article is based on votes flipping. It even says so in the title of the article. If no votes were flipped there would be need to correct those flipped votes.

You're the one making a fool of yourself. Votes were counted before they were certified. Certification has nothing to do with the counting process. The counting process is how the votes were flipped. That has nothing to do with certification.

There is nothing in the article that contradicts the title. You say it, but never prove it because you cannot.

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@metal-brain said
The error involved loading software to the voting machine. It was not as though the dominion voting machine was not involved. The machine counted votes wrong.

It was obvious the votes were not counted correctly and it was noticed. There is no safeguard in the canvassing process as you well know. I'm sure they would have noticed the exact same way, but that has nothing ...[text shortened]... othing in the article that contradicts the title. You say it, but never prove it because you cannot.
"The error involved loading software to the voting machine."

No it didn't. Read the article.

"The machine counted votes wrong"

No it didn't. Read the article.

"There is no safeguard in the canvassing process as you well know."

Yes there is. Read the article.

"Votes were flipped by the machine in the counting process due to human error."

No they weren't. Read the article.

"Thousands of votes changed from Trump to Biden."

No they didn't. Read the article.

" In another county it might not be obvious and noticed."

No it cannot not be noticed. Read the article.

"Certification has nothing to do with the counting process."

Certification is the result of the official counting process.

"The counting process is how the votes were flipped."

No it wasn't; the error wasn't in the counting process and no votes were flipped. Read the article.

The title doesn't say "votes were flipped" it says a county was mistakenly flipped. Read it.

It's pretty amazing that you have managed to get virtually every detail wrong.

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@no1marauder said
"The error involved loading software to the voting machine."

No it didn't. Read the article.

"The machine counted votes wrong"

No it didn't. Read the article.

"There is no safeguard in the canvassing process as you well know."

Yes there is. Read the article.

"Votes were flipped by the machine in the counting process due to human error."

No they weren' ...[text shortened]... flipped. Read it.

It's pretty amazing that you have managed to get virtually every detail wrong.
If votes were not counted wrong how did Biden get votes he should not have? Are you saying people counted votes wrong? If not, how can people get votes they were not supposed to without counting?

I read the article. It doesn't say what you are claiming. What you are claiming is absurd. You seem to be claiming Biden got thousands of votes he should not have without counting. That makes no sense.

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loading system upgrades right in the middle of the election, what could ever go wrong there?

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@no1marauder said
"The error involved loading software to the voting machine."

No it didn't. Read the article.

"The machine counted votes wrong"

No it didn't. Read the article.

"There is no safeguard in the canvassing process as you well know."

Yes there is. Read the article.

"Votes were flipped by the machine in the counting process due to human error."

No they weren' ...[text shortened]... flipped. Read it.

It's pretty amazing that you have managed to get virtually every detail wrong.
Hey Metal Brain!

How does it feel to be so comprehensively crushed?

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@earl-of-trumps said
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Wunnerful.

loading system upgrades right in the middle of the election, what could ever go wrong there?

idjuts
I still don't know if that is specifically a dominion flaw or something all voting machines require. I suspect not all voting machines have that flaw. Heck, I don't even know if loading software is even necessary in a voting machine. Nobody seems to be able to explain the basics of how it works.

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@shavixmir said
Hey Metal Brain!

How does it feel to be so comprehensively crushed?
You are logic challenged too?

Getting too many votes without counting. How exactly does that work?

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@metal-brain said
You are logic challenged too?

Getting too many votes without counting. How exactly does that work?
That’s not what happened.

Now, get over your paranoia, spank your monkey and enjoy life a little more.

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@shavixmir said
That’s not what happened.

Now, get over your paranoia, spank your monkey and enjoy life a little more.
Nope. This his quote:

"the error wasn't in the counting process and no votes were flipped"

He is acknowledging an error but says no votes were flipped. The votes flipping was the error. He is contradicting himself. What is he going to say? Vote flipping wasn't the error? I will simply ask him what the error was and it is checkmate.

Get over your denial. Votes were flipped, then flipped back to correct when they figured it out. If votes were never flipped what was the error? DUH!

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@metal-brain said
If votes were not counted wrong how did Biden get votes he should not have? Are you saying people counted votes wrong? If not, how can people get votes they were not supposed to without counting?

I read the article. It doesn't say what you are claiming. What you are claiming is absurd. You seem to be claiming Biden got thousands of votes he should not have without counting. That makes no sense.
"There was no problem with the voting machines or vote totals, which were preserved on tapes printed from the tabulators, the state said."

""All ballots were properly tabulated. "

"the state said the software problem was not related to the Dominion voting equipment."

How many times do these quotes from the article have to be repeated to you?

The problem didn't have anything to do with the machines or the counting of votes, but with the reporting of unofficial results to the central State office.

"The problem occurred when the totals by precinct were combined into candidate county-wide totals for transfer to the state, using election management system software, the state agency said."

Again, you don't seem to understand or more likely, don't want to understand what the article is saying.

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@metal-brain said
I still don't know if that is specifically a dominion flaw or something all voting machines require. I suspect not all voting machines have that flaw. Heck, I don't even know if loading software is even necessary in a voting machine. Nobody seems to be able to explain the basics of how it works.
At some point this fish in barrel shooting gets tedious:

"Because most counties in the state — especially smaller ones — use the Dominion Voting Systems equipment that Antrim County does, concerns were raised this week about whether other county results could have been posted with errors.

But that's not the case, according to the Department of State, which stressed in the news release that the votes were correctly tabulated and the printed tapes showing the results were also accurate in Antrim."

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