I posted this but i think the other thread is dead.......
Moore's filmaking technique is not to have the viewer believe every single point and in fact it is solely designed to counter the half truths spewed forth by the Republicans. Moore basically is saying to the Republicans, hey look what happens to the truth when a Democrat twists things to his own preference. The guy was using the Republican technique against them. The irony was lost (or ignored) by US mass media but was picked up by most media outlets outside the US.
The point here was that Moore's movies are supposed to challenge the viewer to go and find out the truth for themselves...to investigate and question, rather than simply take whatever garbage is spewed out of their television sets or in the newspaper. US citizens in particular almost never question their government's decisions or motivations for fear of being labelled "un-american".
By having people expose the distortions in his movies of the facts about life in America, Moore has brought the issues into the public conciousness for real debate. For decades, Americans were loathe to engage in this type of debate and Democrats have felt that this disengagment from real issues was the main reason for Republican victories come election time. The Democrats knew that by presenting an issue like health care was boring but to do it in a movie setting would generate debate...it would be even better if the movie contained distortions that required explantions. It was only through these explanations of the distortions of complex issues that you could engage the average american in real issues.
The hope here was that by exposing the flaws in Moores films Americans would also expose the flaws in their current system and demand change.
It was a brilliant strategy if you ask me. Look at the subjects Moore has done and decide for yourself.
Loss of American jobs to 3rd world countries
Gun control
US foreign policy
Health Care
These are all issues that the Republicans have not handled well over the last 30 years.
Moore has re-kindled that American spirit that used to challenge the status quo and demand solutions to complex problems. Some still prefer to bury their heads in the sand as evidenced by previous posts but the times they are a changin....
In time Moore will be understood as the true Machiavellian that he is....The ends do justify the means, sometimes.
Originally posted by uzlessTypical power hungry liberal. You actually think the end does justify the means.
I posted this but i think the other thread is dead.......
Moore's filmaking technique is not to have the viewer believe every single point and in fact it is solely designed to counter the half truths spewed forth by the Republicans. Moore basically is saying to the Republicans, hey look what happens to the truth when a Democrat twists things to his own ...[text shortened]... nderstood as the true Machiavellian that he is....The ends do justify the means, sometimes.
Originally posted by Merksometimes.
Typical power hungry liberal. You actually think the end does justify the means.
Seems that's what the Repub's are saying as justification for Iraq...............
And i was just pointing out one view on the reasons for so many apparent "flaws" in his movies. Do I agree with the strategy? Well, that's another story......
Originally posted by uzlessSeems that's what the Repub's are saying as justification for Iraq...............
sometimes.
Seems that's what the Repub's are saying as justification for Iraq...............
And i was just pointing out one view on the reasons for so many apparent "flaws" in his movies. Do I agree with the strategy? Well, that's another story......
It's prety clear by the policy in Iraq that the military hands have been tied, so I'd say this statement has no basis in fact.
It doesn't matter if you agree with his strategy, that's not the disgusting part. The disgusting part is that you feel the ends judtifies the means.
Originally posted by uzlessFraud is never OK
sometimes.
Seems that's what the Repub's are saying as justification for Iraq...............
And i was just pointing out one view on the reasons for so many apparent "flaws" in his movies. Do I agree with the strategy? Well, that's another story......
Originally posted by MerkNo basis in fact?? All the atrocities and thousands upon thousands of Iraqi ciivilians that have been killed???
Seems that's what the Repub's are saying as justification for Iraq...............
It's prety clear by the policy in Iraq that the military hands have been tied, so I'd say this statement has no basis in fact.
It doesn't matter if you agree with his strategy, that's not the disgusting part. The disgusting part is that you feel the ends judtifies the means.
You don't think that's a blatant case of the ends justifying the means? In other words the Rep's are saying all the Iraqi deaths are neccesary in order to protect America.
ALL wars are cases of the ends justifying the means!
Originally posted by WajomaAgreed...so if you think FRAUD is never ok, how do you feel about the Republicans?
Fraud is never OK
This is the point being made by Moore's flawed movies.
If you are so disgusted by his fraud, then what are you going to do about the Republican instances of fraud.
It's a gauntlet throwdown....I just find this tactic interesting and one not usually seen from a Democrat.
Originally posted by uzlessI don't know about him, but I find Republican politicians only slightly less repugnant that the currect donk leadership.
Agreed...so if you think FRAUD is never ok, how do you feel about the Republicans?
This is the point being made by Moore's flawed movies.
If you are so disgusted by his fraud, then what are you going to do about the Republican instanced of fraud.
It's a gauntlet throwdown....I just find this tactic interesting and one not usually seen from a Democrat.
The post that was quoted here has been removedNo uzless last night there was a number 11 post there, a different one, it's not the first time they have gone missing, OK I've learnt my lesson that arranging the letters n g i s g r e in a certain way sends the censors into fits, but I didn't do that this time.