Originally posted by Bad wolfyour not forced, no one said hey live in that country, no forced you to be there. You can at any time leave. thats my point. And if you like the other liberties or what not of that country then you need to also take the bad that comes with it.
The point is that you would be forced to do this, you wouldn't be given a choice, what they would be forced to defend is immaterial.
edit: I'm not saying that a draft couldn't be justified, but it certainly shows how in a capitalist society, in this circumstance, it couldn't say it was society without force.
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Originally posted by Hank ReardenRiiiigght.......be forced to join the military or face jail time or exile, free from force indeed...😕
your not forced, no one said hey live in that country, no forced you to be there. You can at any time leave. thats my point. And if you like the other liberties or what not of that country then you need to also take the bad that comes with it.
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I must say I'm quite happy having that force there, when I think it is necessary (often it isn't though...), but you refuse to acknowledge as it is, a force.
The reality is you can't just leave the country, it is expensive for a start, yeah, there is another choice, join the military or waste a lot of your money. 😕
Originally posted by Hank ReardenWhat if you don't what other countries have to offer or can't get to the ones that have what you want?
your not forced, no one said hey live in that country, no forced you to be there. You can at any time leave. thats my point. And if you like the other liberties or what not of that country then you need to also take the bad that comes with it.
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Originally posted by Hank ReardenI'm gonna go ahead and assume that yours is a response to my original
I've tryied to stay out of these forums for such a long time and I was doing so good at it and then I had to read this retarded thread.
Wow there is just so much wrong with all the stuff you just said I'm not really sure where to begin.
But A: your talking about a philosophy of death. Your philosophy in this thread is one of self sacrafice and p to help illistraight some of these points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7oZ9yWqO4
post even though you failed to hit the proper link, so let me start by
saying that I'm not talking about death at all. In fact, you'll find if you
read please that I'm talking about life. Not a thousand ame... fools and
one swe... genius, but one thousand and one individuals, instead of just
one thousand. If you have an excessive organ in your body why should
you be allowed to hang on to it even though others need it (possibly
future sw... geniuses)?
This is the very problem with capitalism in my opinion. The idea that a
few people (some two billions) should be allowed to sit on resources
they're not even using, nor need in any way, while the very same
could provide the basic necessities for a whole bunch of people all over
the planet. Seems to me that a little force is not just in order here, but
justified. So, without further ado, will those with two kidneys left line up at
the local hospital and start donating? You may chose the recipient of
your kidney, but not to keep it for yourself. Likewise, comes the day you
may need a new one, there'll be plenty to spare. Justice. Peace. Love
and gooey surgery. Life doesn't get any better. 😏
I should be friggin' world president. 😀
Addition: Oh, and the same goes for material property, food and
blood donations. Pretty much anything you've got that you can't justify a
need for.
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Originally posted by Hank ReardenSorry, I didn't read your entire post at first. I fell asleep half way
Forcing people to go into the military? A draft is nothing more than a payment you have to make inorder to stay free in a country it is the price you pay to live in that country if you do not which to pay that particular price go to or start a country that meets your needs.
through, and then decided I owe you as much so finished it. You're
totally missing the point about force. Force is necessary to some degree
in a hierarchical society. To make communism work force was required,
and to make capitalism work force is required. If I don't believe in
capitalism as the perfect system, and I decide to just take the food I
need (which I feel is my right as a living being) I will be punished if the
geographical region where I live is under a capitalistic rule. So, I'm
forced to either starve or crawl my way to another country that may have
other flaws not to my liking. So, in the end, I have but one choice and
that is to cope with the limits of the society in which I live and to try
and change them for the better.
Capitalism would work excellent if everyone wanted capitalism. So would
communism. Since none of these ideologies seem to be applicable to
humanity as a whole, we need to keep thinking. Or use force. It always
comes down to that. And that's why practised capitalism and communism
hasn't worked to date, nor ever will.
I suppose the only way to go is complete anarchy or a flat organisation
with a rotating police system in place, but that's not going to work either.
Until all humans has matured enough to realise that survival is best
achieved through co-operation despite personal differences, we will have
problems keeping a society together without force, be it communist,
capitalistic or completely anarchistic in foundation.
Originally posted by stockenWell. Let's look at a couple of truths about organ donorship:
You know, I was thinking. I created yet another nonsense thread in the
nonsense forum and realised it's actually a good debate issue. Donating
organs. What gives you the right to say I can't have one of your kidneys,
say? Because you were born with it? I think not. If I'm about to die, then
I have as much right to that kidney of yours as you do since it can keep
us both alive and life comes before anything else.
Debate!
1. You are brain dead when they remove your organ
2. Because you are brain dead they don't give you anaesthetic.
3. There's substantial evidence (which you don't really hear much about...one only wonders why), that certain areas of the brain and nervous system still register pain after brain death occurs.
Well, add 1, 2 and 3 together and then seriously think if you want your liver cut out of you with a reasonable chance you're actually gonna feel it happening...
And then there's my own personal point. I want you all to die.
It's the god's honest truth. I hate human kind and I want you all to perish. Nope, I'm not the nicest person on the plant, I concede this, but it's the plain truth of the matter.
I wake up every morning praying to Gods I don't believe in for a major natural disaster or a nuclear war to break out. I want you dead.
So, I don't really want my organs to go and save someone. No sirree. I would pay to have them removed, held out in front of a person who needs then and stamped on in front of their faces. I'd suffer the pain then, in the knowledge that I've pissed somebody off!
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Originally posted by shavixmirWow, about 3, I never new that was true, you're sure that this is the case?
Well. Let's look at a couple of truths about organ donorship:
1. You are brain dead when they remove your organ
2. Because you are brain dead they don't give you anaesthetic.
3. There's substantial evidence (which you don't really hear much about...one only wonders why), that certain areas of the brain and nervous system still register pain after br ...[text shortened]... ur liver cut out of you with a reasonable chance you're actually gonna feel it happening...
Originally posted by stockenI like your 2 cents slappy.
I don't know about your view on marriage, but I don't see either spouse to
be the material property of the other. 😕
So so your saying Stockten that slappy would be correct, a person should be able to rape your wife at any time and do with her what they want. If they want sex they should be able to take it, by force if needed. And when their done if they want to murder her and butcher her that should be their perogative because thats what the want, and her organs could be used to save between 4-10 other people depending on the organs they need.
So acording to you Rape especially followed by murder is a moral and justify able thing.
That to me is completly obserd.
Originally posted by mrstabbyWell if the country your in is the best country that you can find to agree with your lifestyle then you have to obey its laws and restricktions.
What if you don't what other countries have to offer or can't get to the ones that have what you want?
And you can pretty much leave any country that you want, you don't have to fly 1st class to someplace else great example: The thousands of people that flee the socialistic paradice of Cuba each year in rafts made of pop cans and dead rats.
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Originally posted by Hank ReardenWhat, are you dumb? Ha ha ha 😵 I said nothing of the sorts. Geez, are you
So so your saying Stockten that slappy would be correct, a person should be able to rape your wife at any time and do with her what they want.
on drugs or some'? LMFAO! 😵😵😵